BTSC Chessington in receivership - again.

[RawFreak]

Hi all just saw this after also being screwed over by R Hunt and BTSC, If you look at your contracts with BTSC it was likely they are from Building Trade Skills Centres Ltd(Co number 7126665) very clever, in liquidation(Or Voluntary Arrangement same thing, just means they can trade a bit longer and screw over more people) 2 April 2012.

But cleverly they took card and credit card payments from the same Mr Hunt via Plant & Wast Recycling Show Ltd(Yes check your card receipts, Co. number 06620543) in liquidation 17 March 2012.

Then they also have BTSC Training Ltd(Co number 07694213) and BTSC Training Services Ltd(Co number 07854594), so that the greedy *******s can truthfully claim that BTSC is still a going concern, even though they ripped off, I assume 100's of candidates for £10,000's of pounds for over priced courses.(I digress, very good courses, thanks Andy etc, but stupidly priced and not honest when booking. You dont need C&G level 2&3 to get on a Gas Safe course you could do a 1-3 week basic plumbing and gas course followed by ACS for about £2k, wish I figured that out before wasting £10k on these greedy *******s, no wonder the sales guys could drive brand new £50k Audi's and Merc's)

It is impossible for a company charging in effect £1000 a week for modules that take 12 odd people not to make a profit unless the director/s are bleeding it dry, enjoy your boat and fancy car's while all the little guys suffer after spending their life savings. How many companies is this now that have folded, and I bet the directors pockets are fuller than ever.

Sorry for the rant, now onto a solution, I SUGGEST EVERYONE NEVER EVER DO BUSINESS OR PAY FOR A COURSE WITH ANY COMPANY ASSOCIATED WITH BTSC OR THEIR DIRECTORS, NOW AND FOREVER. And if they threaten me with libel, I am talking about the BTSC that is a limited company that is no longer a legal entity as it is in liquidation, it's not so nice when the law works the other way around is it?

BTSC who signed your contract and Plant & Waste which took your money are in liquidation so the fact that they are in Breach of Contract is meaningless, the directors are free to go and start again and 'steal' a load more money from other unsuspecting people trying to make a new living.

But according to The Consumer Credit Act 75, if you paid by credit card the card provider is jointly and severely liable for the Breach of Contract and you should be able to get your money back from them. When you call them they will tell you there policy is only to deal with disputes for up to 120 days, it makes no difference what their policy is as your statutory rights take precendence. They will give you their Retail Disputes office to write to, and if that fails to work involve the Financial Ombudsman, but they will very likely settle your dispute prior to any legal action as legal action will run into £1000's of pounds more cost for them.

Finally the little guy has some good news.

And if any BTSC people read this people would be more understanding if you actually told the truth and communicated, really I must pay you another £15 to get you to post me my portfolios, when you have already screwed me over for £10,000?????? And yes it is the 3rd August I am still waiting for the email to be able to collect them by the 2nd August, man I will need to get a time machine now, IDIOTS!

Lastly the two new BTSC companies actually have no right or reason to have taken our portfolios, our contracts are with another company that no longer exist's, I believe that is theft, maybe that is my next line of action if these idiot's dont get our portfolios back to us?

Sorry mod's if I am being to GRRRRRR, if you want me to tone it down I will but I think the content has some useful info for others that have the same problems.

 

[Howsie]

I know the guys there and I believe it was the landlord that closed the doors on the back of unreasonable demands. I understand they are fitting out a new place at the moment. Some great people there so lts hope it works out for everyone!!!

 

[fuzzy]

I know the guys there and I believe it was the landlord that closed the doors on the back of unreasonable demands. I understand they are fitting out a new place at the moment. Some great people there so lts hope it works out for everyone!!!

isnt that what happened last time?

 

[fuzzy]

.(I digress, very good courses, thanks Andy etc, but stupidly priced and not honest when booking. You dont need C&G level 2&3 to get on a Gas Safe course you could do a 1-3 week basic plumbing and gas course followed by ACS for about £2k, wish I figured that out before wasting £10k on these greedy *******s, no wonder the sales guys could drive brand new £50k Audi's and Merc's)
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just to point out, you dont need any qualifications to do an ACS course

 

[Albert Richmond]

Hi everbody. we are in New Zealand and have just heard about the possible demise of the BTSC. This is most upsetting because we paid the full price in advance for our son to train on the Electrician's course He is still in London living wth family and has not been able to get any response form his normal contacts at the BTSC. Any information about the stautus of the company or the name of the administators would be most greatfully received

 

[Howsie]

isnt that what happened last time?

I don't believe so.

 

[plumb_new]

Hi everbody. we are in New Zealand and have just heard about the possible demise of the BTSC. This is most upsetting because we paid the full price in advance for our son to train on the Electrician's course He is still in London living wth family and has not been able to get any response form his normal contacts at the BTSC. Any information about the stautus of the company or the name of the administators would be most greatfully received

Hi Albert - did you get an update? Could anyone updates us on the BTSC situation please? It has been so long it doesnt look like they are coming back???? Would really appreciate an update.. thank you in advance

 

[Rodolphe]

I have been maintaining a website where many current trainees are exchanging whatever information they can gather, but since BTSC has been giving me grief about it I have had to make it registration-only.

The news as of last Friday is as follows:
- BTSC had announced a week prior that they would be very shortly able to book training sessions again, at an undisclosed location 25 mins away from their last one
- We independently discovered that they were talking about The Plumbing Academy in Edenbridge. BTSC hasn't confirmed that, but the son of the current BTSC chairman has just been appointed a Director at The Plumbing Academy and the staff confirmed talks were happening (way above their heads, they don't have many details). Furthermore, the geography works: TPA is about 25 mins away from Chessington
- Since then we've had one more email from BTSC. They missed their own deadline and are not able to book new sessions yet, and said that negotiations were not advancing as well as they thought they were going to (so perhaps they won't go there after all).
- furthermore, City and Guild have revoqued their certification of BTSC and basically told a number of trainees that they wouldn't, ever, consider working with them again. BTSC is apparently trying to talk to them about that.

You can try and see hopeful developments in the above, but personally I don't: apart from their own declarations, there's nothing pointing towards BTSC resuming their training activities any time soon.

Hope this helps.

 

[mark75]

the same happend to me m8, but it was btsc manchester, i'd paid nearly £8000 , got to my 11th mod level 3 , took and passed my unvented, suppose i was 1 of the lucky ones aswell because they were taking £9000 off lads up until the day before they shut the doors !! but iv been working for a reputable firm ever since under the supervisiom of a good heating engineer and now about to take my acs and ccn1.

 

[fuzzy]

any updates?

 

[jase158]

sounds like BTSC are going into partnership with another company (probably formed by a friend or relative of the founder of BTSC) then they will keep trading.
Problem will be that they will be under a new name and new company, so will the trainees get there money or a free place at the new centre?
As The company will no longer be called BTSC and the original contract was taken out by BTSC, I doubt it. please keep us informed though as would love to know where this goes.
I know where I'm going to do my Gas.....
A college, cant trust any centre really.

 

[juju999]

Hello All,

I felt it my duty to advise anyone thinking of dealing with BTSC now or in the future not to bother wasting your time as this despicable company are a team of CON MERCHANTS.

I SAT AT A MEETING WITH DAVID MARTIN THEIR DIRECTOR OF RECRUITMENT (watch out for this name in any of your dealings in the future).

£3000.00 WAS WITHDRWAN FROM MY DEBIT CARD ON JULY 6th FOR THE ACS Gas course. Turned up the Monday 9th to start my course to find the building locked and an apologetic idiot by the name of SILVANA TRACEY.

WROTE TO MAX CLIFFORD AND DAVID CAMERON - never heard a word back.

THEY TOOK MY MONEY AND FUTURE. HAD TO TAKE OUT A LOAN TO COMPLETE THE COURSE AT ABLESKILLS DARTFORD WHO I MUST SAY WERE FANTASTIC.

 

[fuzzy]

Hello All,

I felt it my duty to advise anyone thinking of dealing with BTSC now or in the future not to bother wasting your time as this despicable company are a team of CON MERCHANTS.

I SAT AT A MEETING WITH DAVID MARTIN THEIR DIRECTOR OF RECRUITMENT (watch out for this name in any of your dealings in the future).

£3000.00 WAS WITHDRWAN FROM MY DEBIT CARD ON JULY 6th FOR THE ACS Gas course. Turned up the Monday 9th to start my course to find the building locked and an apologetic idiot by the name of SILVANA TRACEY.

WROTE TO MAX CLIFFORD AND DAVID CAMERON - never heard a word back.

THEY TOOK MY MONEY AND FUTURE. HAD TO TAKE OUT A LOAN TO COMPLETE THE COURSE AT ABLESKILLS DARTFORD WHO I MUST SAY WERE FANTASTIC.

when did this happen?

 

[juju999]

This happened at the beginning of July. I was told that a deposit of £250.00 would be required. I was chased up on the Tuesday 3rd of July by David Martin. I foolishly gave this man my debit card details and security pin. On the Friday 6th £2995.00 was withdrawn using my Debit card. When I turned up on the Monday the 9th I didn't realise any money had been withdrawn. It wasn't until I thought I'd better check on my way home that I realised that David Martin had withrawn the full cost of the ACS course. Told the bank immediately - but too late. Gone....
DO NOT TRUST ANYTHING THESE PEOPLE SAY - I WILL POST EXERT FROM MY BANK STATEMENT FOR ANY DOUBTERS

THE MONEY WAS WITHDRAWN KNOWING THEY WERE GOING UNDER - NEVER GOT A DAYS TUITION FOR MY MONEY

 

[jase158]

can you not report that as fraud, the bank should cover you as he took the wrong amount. you agreed to the £250 not the £2995?

 

[Howsie]

You gave someone your PIN? You're crazy.

 

[juju999]

Has been reported as fraud awaiting Barclays investigation but not holding my breath.

Gave David Martin their Director of Recruitment my card details for the deposit. He must of been laughing his head off.

I'm on the look out for him - must be out there somewhere

 

[juju999]

BTW not my PIN my 3 digit security code - had to get new debit card etc

 

[jase158]

Has been reported as fraud awaiting Barclays investigation but not holding my breath.

Gave David Martin their Director of Recruitment my card details for the deposit. He must of been laughing his head off.

I'm on the look out for him - must be out there somewhere

not defending what they have done, but I dont believe david martin owned the place, so may not have known what was going to happen. If you really want somebody to get then make sure you get the right person...

 

[Howsie]

I spoke to one of their students yesterday. He called up the new place and they're trying to place him on a course. He said they seem helpful and should hear next week what date he starts.

I'll post up if u hear they've sorted him out.

Two sides and all that.

 

[fuzzy]

Two sides and all that.

i recall some posts around a year ago surrounding the landlord demanding extra money and they had to relocate.

there been at least 2 or 3 stories about this in the past, is it the same issue from last year not been sorted yet or a different one?

 

[Howsie]

I understand that when it was purchased by Mr. Hunt they came to an agreement with the landlord which seemed to work fine for a while. I'm led to believe the landlord then raised the rent and then changed the locks after x months because the new rate wasn't being paid.

 

[fuzzy]

I understand that when it was purchased by Mr. Hunt they came to an agreement with the landlord which seemed to work fine for a while. I'm led to believe the landlord then raised the rent and then changed the locks after x months because the new rate wasn't being paid.

is that last time or this time?

it sounds very familiar

 

[Howsie]

Not sure. Might have happened with the previous owner but I don't believe it has happens with Hunt before?

 

[fuzzy]

Not sure. Might have happened with the previous owner but I don't believe it has happens with Hunt before?

Most people renting out industrial units give a very low rental for the first 12 or 18 months as an incentive, after that time the rent goes up to the agreed/required amount. Is this unreasonable if agreed at the time?