Building regs vs Gas Safe - arrgh

[SafeGasInstall]

hmmmmm I will ask him tomorrow .....

 

[stevetheplumber]

were going to see a lot of this as most of the gsr fitters i know dont register their installs

 

[Dannypipe]

CP12 - is that the Landlords Safety Cert? If so, they won't accept it....and Gas Safe won't either if property not rented out.

Yes Becky a CP12 is a landlords/Home owners cert'.

Gas Safe probably won't like this as it harks back to Corgi documentation, and they're more interested in their own agenda.

I do however have one more idea!

I had to get an old box down from the wardbrobe so I hope you're grateful!! In the box was some old books of CP1 certificates. Otherwise known as 'Gas Safety Records'.

If I were in your shoes, I would risk getting one of these done for your install. (Lets hope the install is ok and it passes). Then just present this to the bloke from Building Control and confidently say:

'We've had the install checked out, it passes all saftey checks. Here's the certificate, I hope this brings the matter to a close'. Then just stay quiet and hope he goes with it.

Of course this is just a theory....but I would have a go. Taking the boiler off the wall and then putting it straight back on is bloody mindless. Who's benefitting from that? No reputable installer is going to thank you for that job.

On the flip side of all this, I have been asked to register (as we all do) other peoples work. I always refuse to do so. No ifs or buts. NO WAY. I was called to a boiler installed by someone else a couple of months ago. A DIY install. They thought they'd use the flue from their old boiler to save a few quid. Luckilly they couldn't get the boiler to light, because had it, they'd be pushing up daisy's.

Why it popped in my head is that they wanted me to register it so they could have it 'repaired' in its warranty period. After consulting with Gas Safe, I made the boiler safe, and fitted the right flue, but no I didn't register it.

 

[unguided1]

As I see it you building inspector is being extraordinarily picky, Have you upset the upstart moron in some way?? either way I suspect that you will need to make an appointment to see the morons boss, failing that look at this website and contact the morons in the government departments that make these moronic rules and regulations

Building Regulations - Planning, building and the environment - Department for Communities and Local Government

Caines where abouts in the country are you?

 

[Dannypipe]

were going to see a lot of this as most of the gsr fitters i know dont register their installs

Well look what registering via Corgi did for you....lost you future servicing work as they called them on your behalf and poached the work. Thanks Corgi.

 

[REDSAW]

i could be wrong in thinking here but,
get someone to de-com it, take it of the wall cap pipes then get b.r to sign of the building works.
dont have to have the boiler there do you?.
then re-fit when he's gone.

or am i barking mad?,

 

[unguided1]

i could be wrong in thinking here but,
get someone to de-com it, take it of the wall cap pipes then get b.r to sign of the building works.
dont have to have the boiler there do you?.
then re-fit when he's gone.

or am i barking mad?,

Spot on I reckon yer right redsaw, If the OP is local to Oxford I will do it for nothing just too upset the jumped up moron and I would have great pleasure in telling him he is a moron

 

[Dannypipe]

Did she say what make of boiler it was....just thinking: GasMan + Axe = no more issues!!

 

[GQuigley67]

I would go for the gas safety certificate option, get it checked over by a Gas Engineer and if it ticks all the boxes then surely they can't complain ?

 

[caines]

This morning I have discovered that the original plumber who installed it is Gas Safe registered still (is just registered under a slightly different name) so there is no problem with him commissioning it. Hurray. All that stress etc all over with.

Its shown me though to always check sodding paperwork done at the time....

Thanks for all your ideas. I was going to start looking into them but luckily I don't have to now.

Thanks
becky

 

[GQuigley67]

this must be very common, alot of unregistered boilers out there I think the public should be educated in the problems it can cause.

 

[Rodreguez]

i had same situation maybe 3 weeks ago. The customer was selling their house but never had the benchmark filled in or signed off.

I rang GSR and they said i could commission and sign off. Found gas pipework to be undersized and had to do a re-run to bring to standard. i then serviced appliance and commissioned!

 

[fuzzy]

take it out, re install it as a second hand applinace and register it

 

[SafeGasInstall]

take it out, re install it as a second hand applinace and register it

as long as it is A rated fuzzy ,can not relocate and recommission band B

 

[Mrs Tara Plumbi]

i had same situation maybe 3 weeks ago. The customer was selling their house but never had the benchmark filled in or signed off.

I rang GSR and they said i could commission and sign off. Found gas pipework to be undersized and had to do a re-run to bring to standard. i then serviced appliance and commissioned!

That is what I said! Others said GS won't issue the certificate but am sure they can, it would be the same as if it was old but relocated from another property. AS others say it must be A rated.

 

[Mrs Tara Plumbi]

were going to see a lot of this as most of the gsr fitters i know dont register their installs

This is amazing. As I don't get out there in the real world I assume most people do it by the book (obviously even then innocent mistakes can be made). But only yesterday MR TP was telling me this same thing. And he was telling me loads of people install boilers when they are GSR but not done Boiler thing. So they get others to sign it off - which is totally noy on.

And the installers I know are frequently attending properties with incorrect installations - this just shouldn't be the case.
And when I think of all the money we spend on insurance, GSR, qualifications it is very annoying.....