I have an obstruction in a drain pipe. Plumbing was new with the house 65 years ago, and the particular cleanout I need to open has not been opened in all that time. I put a wrench on the plug expecting it to come out. Instead, the plug remains firmly seated in the flange, and the flange spins in the drain pipe. As far as I can tell the flange is not threaded into the drain pipe. Is there something I am missing? Perhaps I need a pipe wrench on the flange while I use a big wrench on the plug? Any advice would be appreciated.