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You thought early on this would do the job, now you know the specific model, is opinion still good if I can bear cost?

Yes if you can have the budget it's the best on market acv is Rolls Royce stuff
As said get on to acv and ask there advice they will give you a help they may even say the 35 is big enough as they are super quick re heat times
 
ACV HeatMaster Gas Condensing Combination Boiler 85tc. Also do a 35tc which is a littler smaller but does not have comparable flow rate.

Which you will require a commercial guy for. And as I said before - we're expensive!

I would imagine you currently have a u6 meter. The ACV requires 8m3 of gas per hour. assuming you also have a gas cooker or range this meter WILL be undersized. You're going to require a u16 or a g10 meter. An additional cost!

I can't even find a price online for the ACV other than the usual 'email us for a quote' type sites so that tells me you'd be looking at splashing out £3-4k for one.

There are cheaper solutions that will give you what you want.
 
Yes if you can have the budget it's the best on market acv is Rolls Royce stuff
As said get on to acv and ask there advice they will give you a help they may even say the 35 is big enough as they are super quick re heat times

I sent you a private message with an email address of a bloke I know at acv give him a shout may be able to give you advice
 
Which you will require a commercial guy for. And as I said before - we're expensive!

I would imagine you currently have a u6 meter. The ACV requires 8m3 of gas per hour. assuming you also have a gas cooker or range this meter WILL be undersized. You're going to require a u16 or a g10 meter. An additional cost!

I can't even find a price online for the ACV other than the usual 'email us for a quote' type sites so that tells me you'd be looking at splashing out £3-4k for one.

There are cheaper solutions that will give you what you want.

No gas cooker but have one gas fire. will check meters out. I know someone was quoted in a thread (not this one £2100 for the tc35 plus install) i think DIYnot.com. Be interesting to see cost of bigger unit. Its the space it frees up that is interesting.
 
meant the cost of unit £2100. Plus installation total cost for guy was 4k but no idea what pipe work he had done.
 
Was thinking to myself either that guy's on a promise or he'd seriously muffed his costings up!
 
Which you will require a commercial guy for. And as I said before - we're expensive!

I would imagine you currently have a u6 meter. The ACV requires 8m3 of gas per hour. assuming you also have a gas cooker or range this meter WILL be undersized. You're going to require a u16 or a g10 meter. An additional cost!

I can't even find a price online for the ACV other than the usual 'email us for a quote' type sites so that tells me you'd be looking at splashing out £3-4k for one.

There are cheaper solutions that will give you what you want.

Oooops. I said 85 in previous .... 35 is 4m3 85 is about 9 as above ? But get a cowboy in and he will fit it on a u6 with 15mm supply and save u £350..Be fine. He said....
It's expensive but will do what u need. Meter upgrades can be negotiated with suppliers. If you move suppliers u can sometimes strike it lucky.

Don't discount cheaper options but not much will match up?
 
Oooops. I said 85 in previous .... 35 is 4m3 85 is about 9 as above ? But get a cowboy in and he will fit it on a u6 with 15mm supply and save u £350..Be fine. He said....
It's expensive but will do what u need. Meter upgrades can be negotiated with suppliers. If you move suppliers u can sometimes strike it lucky.

Don't discount cheaper options but not much will match up?

Don't think there would be much change out of £12k to supply and fit, allowing for a meter upgrade which could require a new upsized pipe from the main and all the digging or moling that would entail............
 
U16 might not require re pipe ? Bigger houses up here have 1 1/2 iron with u16 some u6. Thought u could get 16m3 through a std iron service or a poly service?
 
Basically, it works and lasts longer, faster to recover and made by a company with history of quality and innovation
 
The ACV unit may well provide the flow rates required but you need to look at the plumbing system as a whole. If you've got long pipe runs to the showers you need to be looking at a secondary circulation system for the hot water to minimise the wait for hot water. I'm not familiar with the ACV unit and it may have the facility for a secondary return but there is no point in using a space saving option if it doesn't provide the performance you require.
 
The ACV unit may well provide the flow rates required but you need to look at the plumbing system as a whole. If you've got long pipe runs to the showers you need to be looking at a secondary circulation system for the hot water to minimise the wait for hot water. I'm not familiar with the ACV unit and it may have the facility for a secondary return but there is no point in using a space saving option if it doesn't provide the performance you require.

Unless pipework is horrific and house has a 28mm 40m run to bathroom I wouldn't waste wonga on pump. Spend more in electricity and replacement pumps than u will save! Lagg pipes well, remove oversized and unused legs make system as "sporty" possible
 
All good stuff to consider and thanks. Unfortunately chap coming on Tuesday cancelled so cant answer any questions about pressure, meters etc yet:disappointed:
 
All good stuff to consider and thanks. Unfortunately chap coming on Tuesday cancelled so cant answer any questions about pressure, meters etc yet:disappointed:

If you post what area you are in maybe a member could help you out and price work for you
 
If you post what area you are in maybe a member could help you out and price work for you

PO18 8NS Bosham

Someone suggested posting on another part of this forum as well. How do I get to it Please?
 
Unless pipework is horrific and house has a 28mm 40m run to bathroom I wouldn't waste wonga on pump. Spend more in electricity and replacement pumps than u will save! Lagg pipes well, remove oversized and unused legs make system as "sporty" possible

But some people don't like waiting for their hot water never mind the wastage.
 
The ACV unit may well provide the flow rates required but you need to look at the plumbing system as a whole. If you've got long pipe runs to the showers you need to be looking at a secondary circulation system for the hot water to minimise the wait for hot water. I'm not familiar with the ACV unit and it may have the facility for a secondary return but there is no point in using a space saving option if it doesn't provide the performance you require.

How does an unvented boiler get around this? Situation could be unvented horizontal cylinder in the loft (Boiler likely ground floor as this is where gas inlets are) with a shower on the ground floor and loft. Same length of run, for either system. Would a secondary system be needed in both situations. Very reluctant to put anything 1st floor other than pipe runs.

Note room heights around 230 cm, ground and 1st floor at the mo. Max house footprint 10 metres square. Does this help. Absolute max pipe run I would envisage could be 13 metres long?
 
Queries

Heatmaster 85tc, out I think on cost alone, along with potential meter problems etc, to get full potential of it may have to upgrade pipework in the house, so too much to consider.

Still weighing pros and cons of 35/45 tc unit. easier connection all round. Still base cost will be more than decent sized unvented cylinder and system boiler. Back down to a lower flow rate with this one but still ok I think.

1. price consideration, which is going to cost me less to run over 5 years.

300 lt with great boiler say 30 - 40kw. Guess I'd have to heat a tank in the morning (majority used 1st thing), need a little during the day and say half a tank in the evening. It has to be at optimum heat between. 6 - 8.30 in morning and 5.30 - 8.30 in evening. Presume would need Boiler on heating 3 hrs a day.

The 45tc, 100 litre tank combi system. So still need to pre heat 100 litres in morning (1/2 hour), ready for morning rush. But rest could be on demand say another hour. 1.5 hrs a day. I have no idea how much gas is!

Then theres the central heating, which I presume would be same for both? On this basis think heating cost overall would be half, but may have that totally wrong.

2. One thing bothering me about both systems, seems both would be subject to a certain amount of limited pressure in the system and the same pipe sizes delivering the water throughout the house. Is there any reason from a pressure point of view one would be better than the other, remembering I want 3 showers running at exactly same time and rather it wasn't 3 dribbles? Question is about pressure rather than heat now for feel either system could deliver the hot water.

Guidance appreciated:confused5:
 
pressure wil not be a problem and running 3 showers at the same time from UHWC
You can pre set HW to be heated 30 to 45min before the demand and during the demand time
 
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