combi to combi £800 fitted

[kirkgas]

aye, i've seen the 3hr boiler swappers, most leave right mess.

ooohhh tam will bite you for this comment, i'm telling you there are tons of guys who can/could do it, and leave a top class job, depoends whats in and what goes in, its all about being organised, doing one thing on auto pilot, starting the next one with one hand and thinking about the thing after that, loads of guys in a 2 man team used to do a great one day install on an indirect system with a new cylinder and control pack, with F&E tank in the loft and quite often a new BBU

 

[tamz]

Can still do them in a day with a powerflush, gas upgrade, condensate, and wash the dishes!

Fit to drap!

On the other hand i'm doing a bbu to regular swap for an old couple atm so had to keep the heat on for them.
Yesterday hung the boiler and ran the pipes just ready to T in, new pump and S plan on and gas run halfway while the boy played at powerflushing and blethered to the old guy.
Cut the old one off today and swapped the pipes about, wired it up and got it running by about 3.
Take the old fire and boiler out tomorrow and brick up and plaster the fireplace.

Sometimes you just need to pace yourself :smile:

 

[johnnyplumb]

if your working on less than a £200 profit margin, you would need to be doing them in 3-5hrs better to charge more and spend longer at it.

 

[mak]

Anyone can be a "busy fool"

 

[Halesowen1]

Charge more and stay longer??
Better to get to the next job I say.

 

[quality]

if your working on less than a £200 profit margin, you would need to be doing them in 3-5hrs better to charge more and spend longer at it.

You may have missed the £ was replaced by %

 

[johnnyplumb]

Charge more and stay longer??
Better to get to the next job I say.

customers like to think there money has been well spent. stay longer, charge more and everyones happy.

 

[Halesowen1]

I worked on the EAGA contract a couple of years back, I reckon for a straight combi swap, 4 hours is average, thats all on my own, no flushing, just drain down, cut off pipework, remove and fit new boiler then repipe, fill and test. If you are taking longer on price work you aint gonna earn any money, many a time I used to fit my next days boiler too and have the next day off.
I must say though that if i have a good price in for the job, I make it last the day.

 

[Halesowen1]

Many customers know you are messing about making the job longer, and would rather you hurry up and go so they can have the doors shut and keep warm.

 

[Halesowen1]

£800 minus 20% tax etc. Leaves him £640, it is impossible to be doing for that. So it must be a con, either they are not Worcester or Vokera or price is wrong.

 

[gaspastemania]

customers like to think there money has been well spent. stay longer, charge more and everyones happy.

sit in the van and have a siesta then pop back in later for a brew etc etc till 4 o clock then

 

[johnnyplumb]

I worked on the EAGA contract a couple of years back, I reckon for a straight combi swap, 4 hours is average, thats all on my own, no flushing, just drain down, cut off pipework, remove and fit new boiler then repipe, fill and test. If you are taking longer on price work you aint gonna earn any money, many a time I used to fit my next days boiler too and have the next day off.
I must say though that if i have a good price in for the job, I make it last the day.

thats the key words hear good price for the job & make it last

 

[johnnyplumb]

thats the key words hear good price for the job & make it last

when the price no good the jobs no good

 

[johnnyplumb]

£800 minus 20% tax etc. Leaves him £640, it is impossible to be doing for that. So it must be a con, either they are not Worcester or Vokera or price is wrong.

maybe the boilers fell of a lorry

 

[Halesowen1]

Thats nowadays as I work for myself and do now contract or subby work.
But you cannot be on a combi swap more than half a day when working for companies. I know guys who are doing combi swaps for firms now for as little as £120, and they reckon other firms are paying less.

 

[Halesowen1]

when the price no good the jobs no good

Not in my case, I rely on more work and good reviews from them, but you have to work to the price you have quoted, if you are not making much then you get a rush on, it doesnt mean its any worse than the next guy who is standing there scratching there bum and picking there nose half the day.

 

[gaspastemania]

when the price no good the jobs no good

It can be with some fitters ,but i have worked for companies where i have done boiler change and spent most of the day faffing about and yet its still same quality install as a 4 hour install.
Plumbing fitting is easy .

 

[Halesowen1]

I think we need a local to give him a call and see what the crack is.

 

[johnnyplumb]

Thats nowadays as I work for myself and do now contract or subby work.
But you cannot be on a combi swap more than half a day when working for companies. I know guys who are doing combi swaps for firms now for as little as £120, and they reckon other firms are paying less.

yeah, i know what you mean , a sign of the times i guess.

 

[quality]

lets not get out of the facts here. Some installers will change or swap as most folk call it a combi in 3 - 4 hours but where is the service they provide .
I value my customers I value my reputation I have an apprentice who is nearing 7 years (he is not an apprentice anymore)
I provide a service like most decent folk do who provide a valuable service
Combi swaps for 200 notes do not strike it for me

 

[Halesowen1]

I dont imagine many sole trader guys are gonna do them for £200, but offer that to a subby or full time guy and they would rip your arm off.

 

[gaspastemania]

I do straight swaps as a sub for min £250+ and not fussed if there for 4 hours or 8 but can still do them in 4 hours exact same quality as an 8 hour shift, if the firm was more organised would be up for two a day but they are a shambles at organisation.

Privately i would plod my way through it as would charge more to be honest .

 

[tamz]

You're right Kirk. There are a lot of guys who can do full installs in a day and leave a perfect job. I'm getting past that carry on now but as you say it is all about forward thinking.

There is also a lot of halfwits and house wreckers out there too.
It is a hard way to make a living.

£800 minus 20% tax etc. Leaves him £640, it is impossible to be doing for that. So it must be a con, either they are not Worcester or Vokera or price is wrong.

Vokera 25he band B from mr ch £510 including flue and clock. £25 for fittings still leaves £265 (£220 after tax). (Sabre (vokera) 25he band B £449 so around £270 after tax)

If he is vat registered it works out around £180 after tax with the vokera. Still an easy shift for a busy fool doing the bare minimum. Everything else is an extra and there will be extras on most.

 

[jase158]

On this case I notice that nearly all builders and kitchen fitters are gas safe registered these days, so imagine from that point of view, they shove it in, in a few hours, few of their mates helping and £200 is easy money to them.

 

[jase158]

And how often do you have like for like? maybe they turn around and say ooooh, we will have to move that due to regulations, It should be on the other wall.