Do I report it to gas safe???

[ferret]

I am in a quandry over this one peeps and would welcome some sensible advice . I am currently working for an association as a responsive breakdown and service engineer , after working for myself untill the black days came , I have 34years experience but cannot decide on wether to call in gas safe or let it ride untill i move on from this firm , The problem is that the installation side has been installing J&S boilers since last year as replacements for all our existing boilers and as yet I have not come across One install that meets current regs , nearly all have the existing 15mm gas supplies ( yes combi,s as well) none have been bought up to part L and a couple have plume management kits setting down under beams , I am one of ten engineers and the only one who is highlighting these to the manager only to be told "they are all ok my guys have gas rated them" he seems to think I,m a trouble maker for I have shut a couple down as AR due to low WP and poor analyser readings (WP as low as 9mb in some cases) but they get turned back on after the installer returns and rates it , most I NCS as low WP , What would you do????

 

[Toddyplumb]

Very difficult I know , but I think you know what to do. You no doubt feel isolated and are worrying for your job but I always say the cream always comes to the top. Report it , you will get nothing but support from here

 

[md68]

Report it.
Anonymously if it makes better for you but by the sound of it someone needs to have a strong word with the person resopnsable.

 

[Puddle]

As said ,a terrible situation to be in,however I would report it ,if I was being forced to do the checks on these appliances and expected to turn a blind eye.Going on id'ing and ar'ing could effect your position anyway but what chose do you have,for the installers to be getting away with this ,something is very wrong in the set up,by making this post you have show how responsible you are and you have my respect,that does not put food on the table though,I would hope by reporting, something is done,taking the pressure off you,hopefully they will not know it was you anyway
Wish you well in what you decide,it is a position you should not find yourself in

imho

 

[Billy Bob Bob]

as said report it cover yourself m8 you can not tolerate this,but try to find a better firm to work for first, you are taking the only attitude a gas engineer needs, responsibility stick with this you will go far

 

[ferret]

Thanks for your support I think I,ll have a word with gas safe in the morning and see what they have to say , but I think I,ll try to stay anonymous for the time being , thanks again

 

[GreenArmy]

Personally i think you again need to challenge the manager on this and if you get the same response then go higher, i.e chief executive. Try and explain that these installations are unsafe and you will not be doing your job properly if you just let them go. Give him the choice that if someone dies due to an unsafe installation that you have flagged up that it is he who will not be able to sleep at night. Perhaps suggest that you meet with the installers and inspect their installations and report back to management on your findings.
If you decide to report to gas safe then obviously carry on doing your job exactly as you have been i.e AR'ing & ID'ing as if there is an investigation your paperwork will be fine.
Good luck mate.

 

[Barry98]

repot it , i always ask my self could i cope with it IF one of my kids were to die as a result , extreme i know when theres a job init for you but i always get the same answer.

 

[turnpin]

as all the gas safe guys here are advising you reporting is the only way to go if you should lose your job along the way you will no doubt have a case for unfair dismissal and after all it`s what you are trained for to keep things safe decent gas safe engineers will always find work all the bestregards turnpin

 

[julesverne]

would just hi to everyone my first post on here,

i would report it anonimously have to, but keep a record of all your paperwork so at least you can prove anything should gas safe want to see it or if need for a other purposes eg. unfair dismissal should your employer find out. also record times'dates of any meetings/chats with senior mamanagement. just to cover your back. just passed my acs this week and the one thing they hammer into you is paper work cover your own back.

 

[ferret]

Hello well update,, Phoned gas safe yesterday to report situation and stayed anonymous , question from gs what do you want us to do about it? i said to inspect the installations , but hey they won,t unless the tenants complain and that won,t happen because they are tenants, I will now have to try a different route , upper management possibly or get a local associate involved so he can report it maybe.

 

[wards]

Hello well update,, Phoned gas safe yesterday to report situation and stayed anonymous , question from gs what do you want us to do about it? i said to inspect the installations , but hey they won,t unless the tenants complain and that won,t happen because they are tenants, I will now have to try a different route , upper management possibly or get a local associate involved so he can report it maybe.

had the same situation with corgi,gas escape left by a previous installer,took photos of installation and documented faults,however i then rectified the faults and made good the installation,so when i informed them they said because it was now safe there was not a problemmakes you wonder why we bother reporting and do not just make good shoddy installs

 

[ferret]

your right there its just like corgi , a club for raising money for nothing , if you don,t join our club you cant do gas!!!!

 

[Puddle]

Maybe could ring Health and Safety Executive and see what they say

 

[unguided1]

Also tell HSE what the Gas Safe response was I am sure they would be interested

 

[GasSafePR]

Hi all

I was sorry to see that the original poster hasn't had a good experience when reporting potentially illegal or dangerous work to Gas Safe Register.

As some of the other correspondents pointed out there can be situations where we can't take an investigation forward. This may be because of a lack of evidence e.g. work has been rectified or the consumer may not want to make a complaint.

When this happens it is extremely frustrating for all involved, including us.

If the original poster wants to Private Message me with some contact details I can arrange a chat with the local inspector to see what can be done. I also understand the wish for anonymity and we will respect that.

GasSafePR

Hi all

I should also say that I can extend the offer to other site users who may want to check anything that they may not want to post publicly. Assuming we are not overwhelemed with questions!

GasSafePR

 

[ferret]

Very Very pleased to announce that Gassafe have contacted me and are going to investigate some , cannot say how relieved I am , Thanks to all and especially this forum

 

[Toddyplumb]

All credit to gas safe ! Nice to hear something being done .
Now what about some of the questions on here , you must be mortified !

 

[turnpin]

well done ferret as puddle likes to say quote"RESPECT" good reply by gassafe P.R as wellregards turnpin

 

[Puddle]

Am very pleased ferret you seem to be getting some official support that I think your actions deserve,hopefully the chat with the local gas safe inspector will move things in the right direction
and thank you Gas Safe P.R for taking the time to read the post and assist a member of the forums in the way you have,it is much appreciated

Respect

imho

 

[turnpin]

Am very pleased ferret you seem to be getting some official support that I think your actions deserve,hopefully the chat with the local gas safe inspector will move things in the right direction
and thank you Gas Safe P.R for taking the time to read the post and assist a member of the forums in the way you have,it is much appreciated

Respect

imho

See ferret told youregards turnpin

 

[ferret]

thanks guys lol

 

[Flanners]

I wouldnt report it. The installation engineer is putting his name to the job and your company is registering it. The installation is open to possible spot checks as gas safe see fit. Does your company carry out the annual gas safety (landlords checks) if so these should be highlighted when they come about. If the installation is safe ie, burns correctly, no gas leaks, etc then technically after 12 months it NCS? However if its dangerous ID OR AR then just turn the bloody thing off. Sounds like your to good for your company mate. Just dont get dragged into bad standards of workmanship.

I take a photo of every one of my jobs and dont leave until i say to myself "can another engineer come in here and fault anything?" if so its not finished!

 

[ferret]

hi flanners , technicaly any new install that is ncs is deemed AR anyway and should be shut off , however it is the engineers discretion wether to ncs it . But the point is that this company is installing 350 boilers each year none are to current standards , and my dilemma was wether to notify gas safe or not , with the advice and backing of other members I decided to notify them and now they are going look into it

 

[stevetheplumber]

im very pleased to see gas safe have taken this seriously its nice to see they are doing much more than corgi ever did ive found there technical line so mnuch better than corgis who often just fobbed you of with a see the relevant paperwork