Electrical qualifications

[OffshoreGas]

If I remember correctly, ANYONE can connect to a circuit( fused spur) or replace a faulty electrical component.. it’s a bit hazy nowadays, been a while since I did my part P.

Yeah but it gets sticky from a liability standpoint if a membeor of the public or an employee is injured due to electrical work completed by a company I own. Beyond that I'd like the guys working for me to be safe. Essential electrics sounds ideal but dont know what legal standing it would have.

 

[Burger]

Try this: NICEIC Safe Isolation Workshop for Non-Electricians
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Yeah but it gets sticky from a liability standpoint if a membeor of the public or an employee is injured due to electrical work completed by a company I own. Beyond that I'd like the guys working for me to be safe. Essential electrics sounds ideal but dont know what legal standing it would have.

Afaik and remember, the wiring regulations aren’t enforceable, but if you’re working towards them you’re deemed to be competent? Ask your training provider about whether it’ll allow your engineers to be working in accordance with the wiring regs.

 

[king of pipes]

That's great if true, I've looked at the syllabus and it looked fairly light on electrical content.

What about things like wiring up thermostats of or controls? Changing electric showers? Connecting towel rails to a spur? Work in a zoned area of a bathroom seems to be notifiable possibly under minor works if its a like for like.

I'm happy to use a competent electrical person where ones needed but seems like there is a lot of grey areas with this cross over.

I'm happy to actually teach the guys safe isolation/working practices but would like some sort of formal qualification from a liability point of view.

Quite right get em qualified or your whole world will be in ruins if something goes wrong, you I'll find yourself being prosecuted and quite possibly sued .

 

[Sharp Point]

Yeah but it gets sticky from a liability standpoint if a membeor of the public or an employee is injured due to electrical work completed by a company I own. Beyond that I'd like the guys working for me to be safe. Essential electrics sounds ideal but dont know what legal standing it would have.

Any of these courses really don’t mean sh@t.... to a court of law. They’re a days training, the only way to truly cover yourself would be to have a operative who’s a trained gas engineer and electrician, then you’d have no problem. But they’d still make mistakes... it’s being human

 

[Burger]

Are you wanting them to be adding to circuits? Don’t forget vast majority of work is working from fused connection unit or wiring centre, which as long as they can safely isolate, don’t see an issue.

 

[OffshoreGas]

Any of these courses really don’t mean sh@t.. to a court of law. They’re a days training, the only way to truly cover yourself would be to have a operative who’s a trained gas engineer and electrician, then you’d have no problem. But they’d still make mistakes... it’s being human

You have a legal duty as an employer to ensure your employees are competent to undertake work. I'd like to think there was a simple route to show a person was competent to use a multi meter or isolate a fused spur without having to be a fully qualified spark. British gas and the like surely don't do this.

Are you wanting them to be adding to circuits? Don’t forget vast majority of work is working from fused connection unit or wiring centre, which as long as they can safely isolate, don’t see an issue.

I'd happily pay for any notifiable work like adding a FCU, I just need a scheme to show they are compeent to work on heating/pluming specific electrical systems.

Would be great if ACS etc covers this as Harvest Fields suggests.

 

[Harvest Fields]

You have a legal duty as an employer to ensure your employees are competent to undertake work. I'd like to think there was a simple route to show a person was competent to use a multi meter or isolate a fused spur without having to be a fully qualified spark. British gas and the like surely don't do this.



I'd happily pay for any notifiable work like adding a FCU, I just need a scheme to show they are compeent to work on heating/pluming specific electrical systems.

Would be great if ACS etc covers this as Harvest Fields suggests.

Unfortunately ACS means all holders of the cert can go as far back as the spur with wiring associated the boilers wiring. Not ideal but just how it is.

 

[Millsy 82]

Bpec do an electric course for heating engineers thing I find funny is as far as I know electricians have to go back everytime the regs change ie from 17th to 18th edition yet for us its every 5 years!!!!!

As a rule if I have to go into the ring main etc then sparky gets involved if I gave a socket/ fuse spur then I will connect onto it. My insurance covers it as well.

 

[OffshoreGas]

Unfortunately ACS means all holders of the cert can go as far back as the spur with wiring associated the boilers wiring. Not ideal but just how it is.

So legally youd not be covered for say fitting an electric shower or connecting a heating element on a towel rail in zone in a bathroom?

 

[Harvest Fields]

So legally youd not be covered for say fitting an electric shower or connecting a heating element on a towel rail in zone in a bathroom?

Electric shower yes. As long as the outputs where the same. Electric towel rail, no as far as I understand.

 

[Chuck]

You have a legal duty as an employer to ensure your employees are competent to undertake work. I'd like to think there was a simple route to show a person was competent to use a multi meter or isolate a fused spur without having to be a fully qualified spark.

This 3-day course might be what you are looking for:

Electricity for Plumbers | Learning for Life | BPEC

The BPEC Electricity for Plumbers course aims to help plumbers and heating engineers who work on central heating electrical control systems to work safely.

bpec.org.uk

It's available at a lot of centres and colleges and seems to have become quite popular in recent years.

 

[OffshoreGas]

Bpec do an electric course for heating engineers thing I find funny is as far as I know electricians have to go back everytime the regs change ie from 17th to 18th edition yet for us its every 5 years!!!!!

As a rule if I have to go into the ring main etc then sparky gets involved if I gave a socket/ fuse spur then I will connect onto it. My insurance covers it as well.

I agree, I'm happy to pay a spark to do electrical work, its just finding a legal way to do the limited scope of heating/plumbing work.

I'll look into the BPEC course thanks.
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I think I've found a solution I'm happy with:
1) Honeywell controls training - 1 day - £45
2) NICEIC safe isolation training - 1 day - £170
3) ACS etc
4) In house training

 

[quality]

Logic Essential Electrics & Safe Isolation | Polar Pumps

Logic Essential Electrics & Safe Isolation - Enabling you to carry out electrical work complying with the needs of the Electricity at Work Act 1989.

www.polarpumps.co.uk

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