Fast track gas course

[Pickwickpick]

CCN1 – This is the core gas safety certificate which all gas operatives must have to work in the domestic gas industry.
CPA1 – Characteristics of combustion and use of a flue gas analyser.
CENWAT – Installation, service repair and commission of domestic central heating boilers and water heaters.
CKR1 – Installation, exchange, disconnection, servicing and repair of domestic gas cooking appliances.
HTR1 - IInstallation, exchange, disconnection, servicing and repair of gas fires and wall heaters.

Qualifications and Training Added to the Course:
Unvented Hot Water Storage Systems – Installation, servicing and maintenance of unvented hot water systems from 15 to 500 litres.
System Design and Fault Finding – Our own system design and fault-finding course aimed at giving you a better understanding of how central heating systems and boilers work.
• Basic Plumbing
• Basic Electrical Appreciation
• Safe Isolation

The info they've sent you isn't up to date, you have to have been gas safe registered for 6 months before you can CKR1 and same applies for HTR1:

A Category 1 engineer who wishes to add another appliance element to their qualifications (i.e. extend their range in the same sector) would need to meet the following criteria before they can be assessed in that appliance:

• They must have been registered with Gas Safe for a minimum of six months
• They must undertake training on the new appliance element they wish to add
• They need to supply evidence of on-site experience of the appliance element; if this is not possible the candidate will need to undertake ‘realistic work environment’ practical work at a training centre in addition to the training stated above

Information for Category 1 gas engineering candidates as of 1 October 2018

 

[Aire]

Thats a reason to query to the cost. If your not going to finish the course with all qualifications advertised then that should reflect in the cost of the course. I'd also wonder why a training centre isn't up to date with the current requirements regarding gas safe registration.

 

[Dougie2019]

The info they've sent you isn't up to date, you have to have been gas safe registered for 6 months before you can CKR1 and same applies for HTR1:


Information for Category 1 gas engineering candidates as of 1 October 2018

Yeah the company did say that when j was talking to them they said they get you back in and get you refreshed

 

[Aire]

In that case, ignore my previous comment

 

[Harvest Fields]

The info they've sent you isn't up to date, you have to have been gas safe registered for 6 months before you can CKR1 and same applies for HTR1:


Information for Category 1 gas engineering candidates as of 1 October 2018

How does that make sense. Surely he is category 3? The six months is for someone already qualified isn’t it?

 

[Harvest Fields]

CCN1 – This is the core gas safety certificate which all gas operatives must have to work in the domestic gas industry.
CPA1 – Characteristics of combustion and use of a flue gas analyser.
CENWAT – Installation, service repair and commission of domestic central heating boilers and water heaters.
CKR1 – Installation, exchange, disconnection, servicing and repair of domestic gas cooking appliances.
HTR1 - IInstallation, exchange, disconnection, servicing and repair of gas fires and wall heaters.

Qualifications and Training Added to the Course:
Unvented Hot Water Storage Systems – Installation, servicing and maintenance of unvented hot water systems from 15 to 500 litres.
System Design and Fault Finding – Our own system design and fault-finding course aimed at giving you a better understanding of how central heating systems and boilers work.
• Basic Plumbing
• Basic Electrical Appreciation
• Safe Isolation

I would also advise met1. Just incase no one else has.

 

[Dougie2019]

I would also advise met1. Just incase no one else has.

What course is met1 whats involved in that?

 

[Harvest Fields]

What course is met1 whats inviled in that?

It is for gas meters.

 

[Dougie2019]

It is for gas meters.

Yeah that coirse would be handy actually that could be something i could do in bewteen waiting to do my acs

 

[Harvest Fields]

Yeah that coirse would be handy actually that could be something i could do in bewteen waiting to do my acs

If you add it all together you should get a discount.

 

[Harvest Fields]

That price seems a little steep to me.

 

[Aire]

Yeah your right harvest, he would be classed as cat3. Interestingly though it states op would have to complete minimum of 12 weeks on site training next to an enginner. Not the 7 quoted by op

 

[Dougie2019]

If you add it all together you should get a discount.

Yeah hopefully i will say to them aboit that coirse next time i talk to them thanks

 

[Harvest Fields]

Yeah your right harvest, he would be classed as cat3. Interestingly though it states op would have to complete minimum of 12 weeks on site training next to an enginner. Not the 7 quoted by op

That may be a deal the training centre has? As most fast tracks aren’t 20 odd weeks nowadays.

 

[Dougie2019]

That may be a deal the training centre has? As most fast tracks aren’t 20 odd weeks nowadays.

Its 26 weeks training 7 weeks work placement and another 2 weeks for refresher and acs

 

[Harvest Fields]

Its 26 weeks training 7 weeks work placement and another 2 weeks for refresher and acs

I know mate. I was talking loosely.

 

[Pickwickpick]

How does that make sense. Surely he is category 3? The six months is for someone already qualified isn’t it?

That applies to all categories, have to have been on register for 6mnths before they will let you sit either cookers or fires from November 2018 onwards, I've double checked for myself as I started the course that month.

 

[Harvest Fields]

That applies to all categories, have to have been on register for 6mnths before they will let you sit either cookers or fires from November 2018 onwards, I've double checked for myself as I started the course that month.

So you are saying that a newly qualified engineer cannot service a gas fire or cooker? Can you post the proper link please mate

 

[Pickwickpick]

I would also advise met1. Just incase no one else has.

Thats a reason to query to the cost. If your not going to finish the course with all qualifications advertised then that should reflect in the cost of the course. I'd also wonder why a training centre isn't up to date with the current requirements regarding gas safe registration.

Doesn't seem like any of the training centres are altering their pricing. I asked as I just missed out on being able to do them but they wouldn't shift the price. Those starting couple weeks before me got the 2 extra qualifications for the same price which was annoying

 

[Pickwickpick]

So you are saying that a newly qualified engineer cannot service a gas fire or cooker? Can you post the proper link please mate

Yep that's what we've all been told, I'm going into the training centre tomorrow so I'll see if I can get a link to something official off them.

 

[Harvest Fields]

Yep that's what we've all been told, I'm going into the training centre tomorrow so I'll see if I can get a link to something official off them.

Will be surprised if you do. Sounds like coda wallop to me

 

[Pickwickpick]

So you are saying that a newly qualified engineer cannot service a gas fire or cooker? Can you post the proper link please mate

Just had quick look on the site for the firm I'm training with:

I've cut out the relevant bits:

The Nationally Accredited Certification Scheme (ACS) is being updated* to ensure installers are experienced before they add to their existing training.

From the 1st October 2018, candidates will have to prove that they have been on the Gas Safety Register for at least six months in order to:

• Extend Scope: Moving from one sector to another e.g. Domestic to Commercial, Catering or LPG changeover.
• Extend Range: Remaining within the sector but adding additional appliances or modules e.g. holding CCN1 & CENWAT and adding Fires (HTR1) or Cookers (CKR1).

Which courses does this affect?

New Entrants

Domestic Gas Heating Installer – New Entrants Package

Domestic Gas Heating Installer – Experienced Trades MLP

Here's the link to the full bit:ACS Gas Changes 2018 – What you need to know? - Logic4training

 

[Pickwickpick]

Will be surprised if you do. Sounds like coda wallop to me

If you check out the link in my previous post it specifically notes:
"Please note: These changes are nationwide and are not coming from Logic4training. All training centres in the UK will have to adhere to the new requirements."

It does seem ridiculous, have heard a couple of different theories off tutors as to the thinking behind it. Some think its part of tightening up on these fast track courses, they want you to spend your first 6 months working on boilers as they see them as less risky than cookers & fires. Others think its to make it harder for people to do these fast track course and then just do landlord certs without having any real hands on experience.

 

[Harvest Fields]

If you check out the link in my previous post it specifically notes:
"Please note: These changes are nationwide and are not coming from Logic4training. All training centres in the UK will have to adhere to the new requirements."

It does seem ridiculous, have heard a couple of different theories off tutors as to the thinking behind it. Some think its part of tightening up on these fast track courses, they want you to spend your first 6 months working on boilers as they see them as less risky than cookers & fires. Others think its to make it harder for people to do these fast track course and then just do landlord certs without having any real hands on experience.

But most properties have a boiler cooker and fire. Here is a link I just looked at and it say nothing.
New Entry Level Category 3 ACS Domestic Gas Safety Training Courses in Hull blended Hull Gas Training Hull Ltd | Emagister

 

[Pickwickpick]

But most properties have a boiler cooker and fire. Here is a link I just looked at and it say nothing.
New Entry Level Category 3 ACS Domestic Gas Safety Training Courses in Hull blended Hull Gas Training Hull Ltd | Emagister

Yep, so doing landlord certs won't be an option for the first 6 months on the register, you're basically limited to boiler installs, repairs & servicing.

Here's another one:

Major changes those undertaking Gas Training Courses NEED to know about

1.IGEM Gas Management Learning Programme - Consisting of...

• Gas Training at a recognised centre
• Work Portfolio
• Gaining the relevant awarding body training certificate

2.ACS Assessments

3.Registering with Gas safe

4.6 Months industry experience

5.Additional Appliance Assessments


The Difference


Prior to these changes, students would have been able to extend their appliance scope after completing their CCN1 Assessments but there was no requirement to be Gas Safe Registered to do such additional assessments.

As stated above, the new requirements have been put in place with the public's best interests in mind as it's argued many aspiring Gas Engineer's simply are not competent enough to fully digest and apply their existing skills before extending their scope.

The above is an explanation another tutor gave us.

e2a: just edited the quote, i'd not copied & pasted the time line initially