Flue dripping from exhaust and from air intake.

[Yashimaki]

My neighbours flue is installed on my property & is dripping condensate from both the exhaust and air intake whenever boiler operating. The exhaust has kit fitted and is one metre above air intake so the drips are from different locations but both check out as acidic (i.e. products of combustion). It seems to be a loss of integrity of a seal between air intake and exhaust. Can anyone tell me is this an ID or AR fault and can a registered engineer put an unsafe notice on it.

 

[Yashimaki]

Hi Riley, thanks for your comment. If the information I have provided makes you think my flue doesn't satisfy regulations because of the extension please let me know because that could make a big difference.

 

[rpm]

Riley, tread carefully my friend, like you and others have said Something doesn`t stack up here.

 

[Yashimaki]

Thanks Harry, the flue has been there for along time now so it's past the stage of urgency but I will take your advice and I will get an indepedent GAS Safe engineer. They almost certainly will not get access to the internal installation so will probably have to inspect only what you can see in the pics posted. Please could you give me something specific I can bring to the attention of the engineer. In a previous comment I explained my experience with Building Inspectors and don't want to risk missing anything. Cheers mate.

 

[Riley]

The whole scenario just sounds ridiculous to me. All I can tell you is that the manufacturers instructions well set out exactly how you're boiler will work giving worst case scenario clearances. If your boiler is within these guide lines then the boiler will work if it doesn't then it's something the manufacturer needs to take a look at. All the same this isn't for you to sort out get a gas safe engineer out

 

[Riley]

Riley, tread carefully my friend, like you and others have said Something doesn`t stack up here.

Totally agree mate

 

[Riley]

Thanks Harry, the flue has been there for along time now so it's past the stage of urgency but I will take your advice and I will get an indepedent GAS Safe engineer. They almost certainly will not get access to the internal installation so will probably have to inspect only what you can see in the pics posted. Please could you give me something specific I can bring to the attention of the engineer. In a previous comment I explained my experience with Building Inspectors and don't want to risk missing anything. Cheers mate.

I'm sorry to say mate you are not going to get anybody committing to something on here to use as your evidence as we are working purely based on photos provided by you and we cannot give an objective opinion based on this. I am sure you can appreciate that these photos are not indicative of the whole install and that other underlying issues that you have missed off exist. One of our guys off here may be happy to come out and check it out? Where are you

 

[Yashimaki]

Hi Riley Gas installations do not need planning permission and there is no requirement to discuss what you intend to do with neighbours before starting to build.

 

[Yashimaki]

Hi Riley fair comment. No one in their right mind would ever consider using advice from an internet forum as evidence. Anyone trying to do that would have a pickle for a brain. I only wanted information and nothing else. The only thing that matters are hard facts. If there were any obvious breaches of regs or dangerous faults from the pictures I would have appreciated them being pointed out. I can give you my contact details in a PM if you want so can you recommend someone local to me or tell me how I find a good engineer?

 

[Riley]

Hi Riley Gas installations do not need planning permission and there is no requirement to discuss what you intend to do with neighbours before starting to build.

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My point was not planning for the gas install.

But rather when they built their extension your install should have been taken into account.

This is the issue when flues cross boundaries etc this is why I find what's gone on hardto comprehend

 

[Yashimaki]

Thanks Riley. I am sorry if I came accross as a bit iffy but this has been going on for some time and my problem certainly seems to be an odd one so fully appreciate all concerns expressed. Your response to the pic of my flue got me thinking and having taken another look at doc J, it says min distance to a terminal facing a terminal is 1200mm so if my flue counts as facing the neighbours terminal then they clearly can't put their flue where it is with or without permission. I never considered that before but you certainly got me thinking so cheers for that.
Believe it or not I have got a life apart from this so it sort of crept up to this stage.
Anyway I do thank you sincerely for the proverbial boot up the jacksy as it got me to put me thinking hat on.

 

[Riley]

Individual boilers have their own installation specs. This is where a good engineer could be invaluable

 

[rpm]

It might sound off to you why I put up with it, but I've lived here too long. The apple tree in my garden (in a previous pic its in blossoms) was planted as a sapling by my previous wife before she passed away as a living memory of her.Now it's a proper tree and I can't take it with me so here I stay.

Funny how there is always a "Tug of the heart strings" in these long winded threads, usually around post 30-40.

 

[newcastle phill]

The op wants to think himself lucky they didnt fit a vertical flue.
Im sure he'd be complaining about that even more ??

I hope the landlord never landscapes the garden..

 

[SimonG]

So you are a tenant?

 

[finchy01]

Thas why they've used a higher plume kit than you have so that it's not within 1200mm of your flue. Don't you have another bedroom that you could move into and use your current one as a guest room, problem solved. You don't breath in any fumes and you can start using your boiler again too which would reduce your bills. Another suggestion would be to get a gas registered engineer to come and have a look and double check the installations I. E. Flue terminations although I think someone may have suggested this already. Whilst they were ther they could measure the fumes in your bedroom with their flue gas analyser.

Which town/county are you in, maybe one of us will be local to you.

 

[Masood]

Funny how there is always a "Tug of the heart strings" in these long winded threads, usually around post 30-40.

Oooh you old cynic, you! That line had me blubbing all over my copy of GIUSP 7 and you had to go and ruin it! Have you NO romance in your soul????

 

[Yashimaki]

Hi finchy. I thought the 1200mm applied to the actual installation and could not be fixed with a kit. The engineer inspection is already in the pipeline so hopefully they will know the score on that one. They can also advise on what can be done to get my flue to function properly.
Moving house or room is not an option.
To measure the fumes is totally impractical. They would need to be there when the flue is operating and the window was open and the prevailing weather conditions caused the fumes to come into the bedroom. The only practical evidence apart from anecdotal would be video or photographic plus a degree of common sense I guess. Maybe an outdoor alarm near the flue would be an option.
I don't know if you can help on this one. I would like to know if this flue could be subject to a mandatory Landlords annual safety check as my one is as there is no way of knowing if the flue is operating within specifications? It would also deal with any future malfunctions such as dripping condensate etc.

 

[0304Driver]

Your flue meets regs so I dont understand why you are saying it is not functioning correctly

 

[Yashimaki]

0304driver. The extension built next to it is about 1.5m higher than the previous party wall and the fumes do not disperse.

 

[0304Driver]

I am sorry but your flue still meets the regs and I also think there is a lot more to this, your flue would still meet the rules if the party wall was full house height.

 

[Yashimaki]

The op wants to think himself lucky they didnt fit a vertical flue.
Im sure he'd be complaining about that even more ??

I hope the landlord never landscapes the garden..

A vertical flue would have to be in the neighbours roof so why would that be considered lucky for me they didn't do that? I'd love for them to do that.
My landlord has no authority to do anything in my garden it would be a breach of contract. Just the same as allowing a flue to be in it. So funny enough a vertical flue would have kept them out the trouble they are in.

 

[0304Driver]

Because a Vertical flue would be discharging the fumes in the same area!
And like you say would be perfectly ok, thats why he said you were lucky.
TBH I dont think you are going to get the answer you want in this case, especially as the landlord, the owner of the property gave his permission for the flue to be on his property.

 

[Yashimaki]

You seem to be under the false impression I am asserting my flue does not meet regs. I have only referred to the neighbours flue meeting regs.

 

[0304Driver]

You dont use your boiler because in your opinion the fumes do not disperse, what I was trying to point out to you is that the fumes should be getting away correctly because your flue meets the regs and has been designed to work where it is.

 

[Yashimaki]

In post 48 i actualy stated "And yes I have complained about my flue but it is apparently within the legal requirements so I have to live with it".