Gas fire service advice!!

[stevetheplumber]

theres no substitute for experience some thing that by the time youve got it its to late

 

[Mbear]

we the great trained/experienced need to be careful when quoting regs and getting angry, the guy has asked for advice lets give some rather than pelters, he doesnt have the MI and says he wont touch, thats a good start for me, why should a 25yr old fire which was designed without a modern safety device be AR or ID? (its another arguement to say no appliance should have been allowed on the market without a safety device, but there are plenty of cookers still on sale without) Dannypipe by your own admission you dont have any competance in fires, so when you go for your HTR1 ACS you will learn all about old OF appliances without any safety device, piezzo ignition or any such thing, i have seen tons of old fires with fixed pilot which keeps blowing out leaving unburnt gas filling the living room, it simply needs a service and clean to get up and running again,
to the OP get the make and model and the MI's, follow closely and get all your safety checks done (slowly) and properly and learn well from the job, it sounds like a DFE so will prob need 100cm2 free air vent etc, let us know how you get on.

It sounds like the appliance should be listed as NCS, or possibly ID. Capped and labeled.

Danny why NCS or ID, if it is fitted as per design it is not NCS, if it isnt spilling it isnt ID, the OP has asked for some guidence on an appliance he isnt familiar with, it doesnt look as if you are very competant to advise him on fires with these comments, don't mean to upset you

i agree with all you have said KG except the sentence ive highlighted.

not having a thermocouple/flame supervision setup means its not been manufactured up to TODAYS CURRENT standard, ie Not to Current Standards, i would classify as NCS only, certainly not ID as danny suggested.

if i work on a hob in a flat that doesnt have an fsd i leave an ncs letter, even though i know it was manufactured b4 the new regs came into force regarding cookers/hobs in flats, same thing as the fire issue IMO

 

[nellyc79]

Just spoke with gas register. Thats the way the fire was manufactured so its fine as long as all checks ok, flame picture ok, flue terminal ok and ventilation ok. Its down to me to make a judgement to decide if its safe. Providing all these aspects are met I will classify NCS.

Thanks Guys anyway

 

[kirkgas]

we the great trained/experienced need to be careful when quoting regs and getting angry, the guy has asked for advice lets give some rather than pelters, he doesnt have the MI and says he wont touch, thats a good start for me, why should a 25yr old fire which was designed without a modern safety device be AR or ID? (its another arguement to say no appliance should have been allowed on the market without a safety device, but there are plenty of cookers still on sale without) Dannypipe by your own admission you dont have any competance in fires, so when you go for your HTR1 ACS you will learn all about old OF appliances without any safety device, piezzo ignition or any such thing, i have seen tons of old fires with fixed pilot which keeps blowing out leaving unburnt gas filling the living room, it simply needs a service and clean to get up and running again,
to the OP get the make and model and the MI's, follow closely and get all your safety checks done (slowly) and properly and learn well from the job, it sounds like a DFE so will prob need 100cm2 free air vent etc, let us know how you get on.




i agree with all you have said KG except the sentence ive highlighted.

not having a thermocouple/flame supervision setup means its not been manufactured up to TODAYS CURRENT standard, ie Not to Current Standards, i would classify as NCS only, certainly not ID as danny suggested.

if i work on a hob in a flat that doesnt have an fsd i leave an ncs letter, even though i know it was manufactured b4 the new regs came into force regarding cookers/hobs in flats, same thing as the fire issue IMO

Mbear what is the current reg that says a fire must have a FSD to be fitted in a lounge? if there is one then yes the install is NCS if there is no reg then the installation is perfectly acceptable (not withstanding we all agree it isnt as good as a fire with a FSD)

 

[Dannypipe]

Are we still banging on about this chaps!!?

 

[Mbear]

Kirkgas

I'm positive that fires made today should be made with a flame supervision device and I'm also sure it's in the regs somewhere.(I could be wrong mate).

However when cookers/Hobs now require to be fully fsd'd up when fitted when fitted in flats then I'd be surprised if fires are not the same accross the board, ie irrespective if they they are fitted in flats or bungalows or whatever

As I say mate I could be wrong, would just seem strange if they had the rule for hobs but not fires.

I certainly go for ncs in these circumstances as long as the rest of the safety Is ok

 

[aceservicing]

The fire in question is very common in London , chelsea there are up to 6 dfe baskets in 1 house and 3 gas cookers ( whole day for gas check ) and legs like Rambo after 5 floors. You should strip down and clean if you are competent enough !!!! Make sure the sand is flat and level fit all back then run 2 mom full power !!!! I always have window open until you get to the bottom of it . Spillage test if ok you mist now conduct a gas rate . Beware some dfe's I have been out to run in excess of 18 kw experience here will judge what is right. If the fire is in the basement and there is 6 floors above it high heat input will be required for correct flue pull as products of combustion will condense at lower heat input and poss not even make the flue terminal. It the fire was on the top floor and burning 18 kw I would fit a gas flow restrictor just after pipe outlet and trim back gas rate then gas rate again spillage test ( but you must lock the restrictor with creep Mark fluid ) so no one else isolates fire from that point and then re opens full bore !!!!! . Check your bs codes material . Always check spillage start up during and 15 min after . Then simply look for all adverse situations tumble dryer etc .

 

[aceservicing]

You can get a blank data plate from any fire shop . Thease type of dfe basket fires are still in production ....... Please don't be missled I store postcode in my phone together with what I found and how I set fire up .. Gas safe may ask you. Be honest with them tell them how good you are show them a few of Thease fire set ups they won't bother you again . Please remember you as an engineer should make it madatory for all flueless and open flues appliances to have a working c/o detector . I carry thease in the van . Flueless appliances can bite you in the bum : in my workshop I run a flueless gas fire with 22 mbar inlet and hey presto .. The cat converter was overloaded and carbon monoxide was present in abundance . Thease type of fires should be banned without a govonour fitted to the base of the fire, I talks now with fluval ... Sorry went on a bit ..