getting my c & g plumbing and heating and nvq 2

[danielclark]

Hi all

i have just been offered a possition as a plumbers mate with a plumbing and gas installer. He has asked for me to try and saught my c & g nvq level 2 plumbing and heating qualification out. i found a "15 Day City & Guilds Plumbing, Bathroom Fitting and Heating Systems Course" on Plumbing Training Courses in Staffordshire and Wolverhampton in the West Midlands
now i know this course isnt gonna give me any where near enough experience but as i stated i am doing it for the qualification and will get more than enough experience whilst at work. so what my question is: has any one had any experience with this training center and do they give a full city and guilds certification and nvq 2 at the end of it.

thanks

 

[fuzzy]

city and guilds is an awarding body, just because it says C&G doesnt mean much in itself mate. there are many low level C&G courses, you could say you have a C&G but that doesnt mean its recognised. What you need to consider is the qual not the awarding body, many people/centres will use the term C&G to give credibility. the NVQ is awarded by, yes you guessed it C&G.

what you need to know is the nvq is the equivilant and recognised qual that was the same as the old C&G craft and advanced craft not the tech cert which is what i presume you mean by saying C&G

 

[danielclark]

thanks for the reply. sorry im not quite sure what you are saying, i may have read it wrong but seemed like you was trying to say i dnt need a city and guilds plumbing and heating certification only the nvq 2. i need to get the qualifications through and intensive course as i jus dnt have the time or money to go through the long process of collage. if you have any good advice or test centres thats well worth looking at id appreciate your help. some of them seem to be extremly expensive.

thanks

 

[vipey]

you will have to do a 6129 city and guilds at collage , then either at same time (i would ) you will do the nvq level 2 (6089) qual
you then do the city and guilds level 3 6129 and the level 3 6089 nvq , stafford collage do plumbing the plumbing quals are all changing so it will be differnt but all in all going to collage will take you about 4 years,

 

[fuzzy]

6129 is the tech cert and the 6089 is the nvq, both are C&Gs and you need units from both to achieve the 6089 C&G NVQ. you can however just do the C&G Tech cert but this is not recognised as a full qual unless you upgrade it to the C&G NVQ 6089

however all these are on their way out and being replaced by the 6189 which is a C&G NVQ diploma

 

[danielclark]

oh so i may as well go straight for the 6189 then. do they do an intensive course for that as i either need do nights or intensive. im in essex do you know any gd places around here?

 

[fuzzy]

its a very big course so your unlikely to do it intensively, if you do youll just skip over everything and learn very little

you also need to be working in the industry

 

[PlumbBobBob]

in my opinion no intensive course is all that good, you will be learning at a fast pace and will not be able to retain all the information that is fired at you. i would say that the minimum that you should be looking at would be 18 months upwards.

 

[danielclark]

hmmmmmm ill be working on boilers in couple of months, im jus trying to get a couple of the neccesary qualifications under my belt, in 12-18 months i wanna be going for my gas

 

[danielclark]

i do understand that, im doing it more for the qualification than anything as ill learn most of it on the job

 

[fuzzy]

youll be working on boilers? supervised i presume, if you think you can get all the quals and necessary experience in 12-18 months then your sadly mistaken

 

[danielclark]

yes supervised. u dnt neeed them all to go for ur gas. the main ones you need are the city and guilds 6129 and nvq level 2

 

[PlumbBobBob]

wouldn't argue with fuzzy if i were you he's the resident qualifications expert

 

[danielclark]

im not arguing im stating that obviously the more qualifications you have the better but to become gas registered you only need what i jus said as i have a friend who has taken that rought and is now gas registered.

 

[danielclark]

i have joined as i dnt know very much about this subject and ive explained im gonna be working with a qualified gas registerd fitter and wont have the time or money to go collage and am looking for any advice you more qualified people have to offer and any ways i can do it without it costying a fortune. im not dumb i do know these intesive courses arent the best roughts but i dnt have much choice

 

[PlumbBobBob]

sorry meant as tongue in cheek

 

[fuzzy]

im not arguing im stating that obviously the more qualifications you have the better but to become gas registered you only need what i jus said as i have a friend who has taken that rought and is now gas registered.

im sorry but this is incorrect, you dont need any quals to do your acs

 

[danielclark]

i think i may have found a starting point can some one have a look and let me know what they think pls. Plumbing Training Courses in Staffordshire and Wolverhampton in the West Midlands thanks

 

[Gray0689]

That course means nothing 2 weeks lol
The level 2 is not what can take you on to the nvq
IMHO it's a waste of money
You can't possibly take and fully understand all that in 2 weeks

 

[jtsplumbing]

How much is this fast track course ? have herd of some people paying stupid amounts !! then quals they get not worth paper they are on.

 

[danielclark]

wow i have said im doing it for the qualification notr to learn ill be learning all day long with my boss. its £700 m8, i know what you meen some charge thousands. i may not even do my nvq now as im gonna build a big portfolio for proof of what i have done and know. then once im ready im gonna go for my gas.
im gonna say this one more time so every one understands, i am not looking for some magicc course thats gonna make me fullly qualified in 2 weeks, i will be doing the course and then working as a fitters m8, picking up and learning all i can. reading the books that are used in collages to learn at home and getting plenty of practical practice and knowledge at work.
i hope this clears up this matter of people telling me im not gonna be qualified cos of a course because i know this.
thnaks dan

 

[Gray0689]

No what I mean is that qualification means nothing

 

[danielclark]

why does it meen nothing? its a city and guild paper and will be given a city and guild certification at the end of it which i fought was a recognised certificate. im getting well confused lol sorry

 

[Resolute]

why does it meen nothing? its a city and guild paper and will be given a city and guild certification at the end of it which i fought was a recognised certificate. im getting well confused lol sorry

What they mean is that any future employer will only be interested in employing you if you have your full NVQ and not just your c&g tech cert.

 

[danielclark]

ok well my problem there is, i will only be dealing with boilers and heating and a nvq covers more than that so how will i get around this?