illegal work

[Riley]

Where the systems all wrong though and gas safe come up with no practical answers. I think we'd all get behind a body who acted beneficially to the industry

 

[hammers4spanner]

The whole industry needs a shake up imho as it stands ,its a shambolic mess and reality gas safe register are just fleecing us for a monthly payment scheme.

All bark and no bite

 

[hammers4spanner]

I don't think I have much weight to throw around Matt. We might just scrape to a measely 2% of the UK market this year, hardly enough to count as a mover and shaker.

However i would imagine the UKPF would have a good sway to gas safe to push more investigations .

 

[JCSPLUMBING]

Trouble is that if its fitted correctly and to standards what can they do? It's only when it's bodged and dangerous that they take action. A lot of blokes just don't bother renewing with gas safe and carry on regardless. There work is still to spec.
I agree with you though and would be angry too if I paid all that money to be gas safe.

 

[kirkgas]

Bert large can you explain how it would work if Gas Safe worked harder to get rid of illegals that some of them would lose their job? They don't deal with illegals that's HSE's department,

 

[kirkgas]

How much does it cost per day to be Gas safe Registered?

 

[Rickster123]

More than it should..

 

[gasmanrob]

This thread has been done before with the same responses from the same people. Nothing happens, nothing will ever happen.

Call it corgi, gas safe, g20 elite or eggy smell prevention squad result will always be the same.

we think rightly or wrongly, that as we pay them a registration fee and are policed by them so to speak that they'd have the ability to crack down and pursue illegals.

They see them selves as a non government body not responsible for prosecution of said illegals.


Maybe we should report them not for working unqualified but instead report them for non payment of the registration fee.

See kids it's all in the wording

 

[Riley]

I hate the fact that it causes so many arguments. Generally speaking we are all fairly well rounded adults, some with vast experience in the sector. It may or may not be gas safes responsibility, surely by the amount of people saying the same thing over and over this shows there is a problem. I would love for GS to read through some of these threads and to give a little feedback. Not expecting them to fix Rome in a day but I think the general consensus is that either their remit needs to change or they need to start doing the job they are tasked with properly. I'm not trying to be inflammatory but the fact that people now don't bother reporting illegals shows that the system is broken. For those people to risk illegal gas work because one time in 1000 they may possibly get a fine and a slap on the wrist is no deterrant. They know that in the large majority of cases their work will go unchecked as the public do not have the education on the matter. It still entertains me that after all this time since GS took over people still ask am I Corgi??? Surely this shows that GS don't have the presence that perhaps they should. I get really bored of being undercut by illegals because they don't have the overheads that I do and can afford to work for so much less. Likewise I hate the fact that these people are chucking in 2 sometimes 3 boilers in a day, any old way they choose and they get away with it because the customer doesn't know that what they are doing is wrong or unsafe. It does make you feel like doing the illegal route yourself as the risk to you is so low, however I think I am too decent a person to put my reputation and my customers lives at risk. I'm sure Gas Safe used to have a couple of people on here. It'd be nice to hear that they do consider our concerns as genuine and that it's not just a bunch of engineers venting. Problem is I believe only the figure head company, I believe, can make any change here. They have to lead the way and be proactive rather than the constant reactive nature which is often too late after a dodgy install has been carried out and the rogue trader has already legged it with the money never to be seen again.

 

[Riley]

And breath!!!

 

[AWheating]

Gas safe are not a member of the arms, probably not competent to be

Manufacturers, the gov, engineers all have a role to play regards this sort of thing. It needs to be everyone together or it would not work. Manufacturers having a system of not selling, repairing etc...... Gov having the clout to pursue and heavily punish ( not just a slap on the wrists) engineers reporting, refusing etc......

 

[Riley]

Agreed mate. Everybody just seems to pass blame though each department saying it's not their problem. I can see why people get disillusioned by it

 

[Millsy 82]

Every body wants to join oftec for a while then you will have something to moan about! Lol.

 

[hammers4spanner]

Whats the point of joining oftec?

work illegally and undercut you lol.

Kirk gas i believe works for the register now.

I do agree with several points riley has commented on that gas safe are basically deafening in their silence only other day i was asked if i'm corgi registered.The only thing i can see they do is post a free magazine through the door full of be a gas engineer in 4 weeks adverts.And if you phone up you can have a laugh at some sarcastic telephone operator.

I know some of the older registered guys are letting theirs lapse and they will carry on fitting .Needs some type of MOT system in place illegal or dangerous appliance a code gets registered into a smart meter and bellows slam shut or something.

 

[Riley]

It's difficult though isn't it mate. I'm not apportioning all blame at the door of Gas Safe but they're the people that the industry look to and at the mo they don't seem to be doing much to protect our profession

 

[hammers4spanner]

Well we pay them and its like anything you pay for if your not happy with their service then your entitled to complain.

 

[Riley]

True enough mate

 

[jtsplumbing]

Well we pay them and its like anything you pay for if your not happy with their service then your entitled to complain.

In most cases if its something your not satisfied with you can also ask for your money back ,for poor service or goods try getting a refund from GS.

 

[Ray Stafford]

Just seen this on the FB page

[DLMURL="https://blog.nationaltradesmen.co.uk/gas-installer-jailed-over-shoddy-gas-work/"]Illegal Gas Installer jailed[/DLMURL]

 

[Riley]

Long may it continue Ray

 

[JCSPLUMBING]

Like I said earlier, you never hear of stories of safe installs being jailed or fined. They only care about the bad ones

 

[Ray Stafford]

Like I said earlier, you never hear of stories of safe installs being jailed or fined. They only care about the bad ones

In fairness, 99.9% of the population would agree with them there.

 

[JCSPLUMBING]

Personally I think gas safe is a con. If your competent to fit gas then it's no different to any other trade. I think old lady drivers driving at 15mph up a duel carriageway is more dangerous than an old gas engineer out of ticket for 6 months. I agree that a refresher should be needed every 5 years on the updates to regs etc. really though what has changed regarding installs since 10-20 years ago

 

[hammers4spanner]

Personally I think gas safe is a con. If your competent to fit gas then it's no different to any other trade. I think old lady drivers driving at 15mph up a duel carriageway is more dangerous than an old gas engineer out of ticket for 6 months. I agree that a refresher should be needed every 5 years on the updates to regs etc. really though what has changed regarding installs since 10-20 years ago

Less money now lol

 

[jtsplumbing]

Personally I think gas safe is a con. If your competent to fit gas then it's no different to any other trade. I think old lady drivers driving at 15mph up a duel carriageway is more dangerous than an old gas engineer out of ticket for 6 months. I agree that a refresher should be needed every 5 years on the updates to regs etc. really though what has changed regarding installs since 10-20 years ago

Not a lot, I worked on the gas conversions years ago , (B4 corgi) admitted a lot of the old style appliances were not as safe as modern ones, Remember the old gas open flue water heaters fitted in Bathrooms, That's when we started fitting multi points in there place, but no gas work was inspected or notified, you just got on with it.