Newly fitted toilet keeps blocking

[JCplumb]

Of course there are many ways to unblock the loo but the issue is, I shouldn't have to do this every flamin' time someone does a number 2.
My missus seems to be blaming me for all this though of course its always me with the rubber gloves, plunger, drain wire, washing up liquid, hot water, bleach etc. I am blumin sick of it. So I guess removing toilet and starting again with the waste pipe work is the only solution.

Yes there are many ways to unblock a toilet, but Rob was suggesting this method because it isn't just poking at the blockage, you get a good blast using a mop (I tie a carrier bag round the mop head to help the seal).
When you're poking it with a wire you're probably making a small hole, the springiness of the wire will mean it will only hit a small part of the pipe after a bend no matter what you do with it.
Pouring water and or chemicals down is only using gravity to try and clear it.
Try the mop trick, it has got a lot of plumbers out of the poo a lot of times.

 

[Best]

If nothing else works, remove the toilet and investigate your work

 

[David Banfield]

Too be honest your piccys come up on my I pad as a big splodge
...just do a general shot or two please..then we all can see more
back later just wacking in a downstairs bog in my latest place

 

[Ben-gee]

This method requires more skill but if you don’t have a string mop this is free.

Stand on a chair and quickly pour an entire bucket of water from ceiling height.

Stop mucking about with a wire. As JC says above, you are at best poking a small hole in blockage - the bucket or mop methods provide a means of moving the whole blockage along.

Lift the nearest manhole and get someone to watch, keep going with whichever method you choose until they report that they have seen said blockage go sailing by.

As you say you shouldn’t have to do this daily - you won’t once you have done it correctly eg as above.

 

[David Banfield]

I’ve had this problem before. Found it to be where the pan connector fits into the bent pan connector. If you remove these fittings you’ll see the problem. You’ll need to cut off a bit of the pan connector so when inserted into the bent pan connector (periscope) it doesn’t insert so far as to reduce the bore of the pipe. Hope this helps

 

[Armitage Shanker]

Many thanks to all who have tried to help. Dave Banfield's idea seems very plausible. I have ordered a new waste connector which is slightly longer at the top (where it joins to the toilet outlet) so hopefully the toilet will plug straight into it without the need for the extra joint which I have at the moment which seems to be causing the problem.

 

[Armitage Shanker]

This method requires more skill but if you don’t have a string mop this is free.

Stand on a chair and quickly pour an entire bucket of water from ceiling height.

Stop mucking about with a wire. As JC says above, you are at best poking a small hole in blockage - the bucket or mop methods provide a means of moving the whole blockage along.

Lift the nearest manhole and get someone to watch, keep going with whichever method you choose until they report that they have seen said blockage go sailing by.

As you say you shouldn’t have to do this daily - you won’t once you have done it correctly eg as above.

Thanks for suggestion, Ben. When using whatever method the blockage eventually gets completely cleared and the toilet drains perfectly with liquid and paper flushing away nicely so all is great until someone does a number two then the toilet becomes partly blocked yet again. It will flush and the water goes away but slower than it should. I think there is a problem in the way the pan connects to the waste so I am going to have to dismantle it and see what is what. I will post with what I find.

 

[Ben-gee]

Ah ok I didn’t realise you got fully correct function each time.

In that case sounds like a connection problem, I had this once and it turned out that the rubber seal from inside the pan connector had come partially away from its correct position, such that half of it was inside the 4” pipe.

The paper then snagged on this and caused a blockage, amazingly it didn’t leak otherwise I would have found it sooner.

As you say next stage is dismantle and inspect.....

 

[Armitage Shanker]

Ah ok I didn’t realise you got fully correct function each time.

In that case sounds like a connection problem, I had this once and it turned out that the rubber seal from inside the pan connector had come partially away from its correct position, such that half of it was inside the 4” pipe.

The paper then snagged on this and caused a blockage, amazingly it didn’t leak otherwise I would have found it sooner.

As you say next stage is dismantle and inspect...

Cheers Ben. No one is using the loo except for wees and tomorrow I will take it to bits and report back. Really appreciate the support from everyone.

 

[Steve weightman]

Can't beat a bog in a box with a deep pan hole for getting no2 away. Some modern toilets are only designed for small turds.

 

[Ben-gee]

Ah the good old days where every bog had a syphon and any seat fit any pan.

 

[Rob Foster]

Can't beat a bog in a box with a deep pan hole for getting no2 away. Some modern toilets are only designed for small turds.

Just bought two from homebase, £45.00 each and I know they will flush away because I have 6 others. Saves cleaning etc after every dump as they flush down clean every time alot of designer stuff is crap. no floaters left with these bog in a box bog pans. We used to get thro loads of asda bog brushes at the holiday lets then I re fitted
happy...CLEAN...days
Rob Foster aka centralheatking

 

[Rob Foster]

2 what

read my post...bog in a box....you can scroll up to catch up on a thread. chking

 

[Ben-gee]

Excellent rob, try telling the tw*ts in the swanky showroom as they attempt to sucker some mug into an £800 bog.

In all honesty the £45 is better.

 

[Rob Foster]

Excellent rob, try telling the tw*ts in the swanky showroom as they attempt to sucker some mug into an £800 bog.

In all honesty the £45 is better.

And my comments are true and based on my experience over the years. chking

 

[WC1]

Armitage, you may be aware but if not, - when reassembling make sure you run a bead of fairy liquid round any rubber connecting boot otherwise they can get pushed out of place and cause a problem.

 

[Rob Foster]

Armitage, you may be aware but if not, - when reassembling make sure you run a bead of fairy liquid round any rubber connecting boot otherwise they can get pushed out of place and cause a problem.

I just gob on it and rub it around ...Rob Foster aka centralheatking

 

[Rob Foster]

I just gob on it and rub it around ...Rob Foster aka centralheatking

in fact just done that before sunday lunch

 

[Armitage Shanker]

Armitage, you may be aware but if not, - when reassembling make sure you run a bead of fairy liquid round any rubber connecting boot otherwise they can get pushed out of place and cause a problem.

Hi thanks for the heads up on that. Being a stickler for following instructions I just did what it said in the instruction leaflet that came with the McAlpine joint. It said use water to wet the rubber, that's what I did and the joint seemed to assemble ok but maybe washing up liquid might have saved all this hassle, who knows.

 

[Armitage Shanker]

Excellent rob, try telling the tw*ts in the swanky showroom as they attempt to sucker some mug into an £800 bog.

In all honesty the £45 is better.

Yes, its a bit like designer clothes isn't it? You can buy a perfectly decent tee shirt for not a lot of money or pay £50 or more for a designer label. The toilet I got was chosen by the missus because she liked the look of it and was nowhere near £800. I had a narrow escape as it was, cos originally she wanted a fully shrouded one. Fleck knows how I would have fitted that given the space restrictions.

 

[rpm]

Swan neck connector

 

[David Banfield]

Armitage, go easy on the lube when connecting the pan connector to the pan. You need a bit of friction there to keep it from coming off when water hits the back of it. Stick with water if you can but, as mentioned, make sure you don’t pop the seal out.

 

[Steve weightman]

Quite often get asked to swap a newley installed toilet for a different one that flushes better trouble is they don't give flow figures for pans so getting one is tricky tend to have a look at the pan to see how big the pan catchment areas like before buying

 

[Armitage Shanker]

Swan neck connector

I am only a DIYer but even I have come to the conclusion that things are rarely that simple.

 

[Armitage Shanker]

Quite often get asked to swap a newley installed toilet for a different one that flushes better trouble is they don't give flow figures for pans so getting one is tricky tend to have a look at the pan to see how big the pan catchment areas like before buying

What is "the pan catchment area"? Is it the hole where the poop and pee disappears into or is it the total surface area of the pan itself?