Nothing to shout about but engineer failed ReACS

[Nostrum]

Thinking about it, how can you fail an open book assessment?

 

[TBServices]

I'll be honest, my ACS will be due in 2 years time, and it will be my first re-assessment since passing first time, and come that day, I'll be bricking it.

There's so much stuff I just don't come across in real life situations that I've forgotten already, I doubt I'd make it through without a bit of refreshment training first.

 

[vern]

The bloke who trained me for my city and guilds was ex BG and showed us some horrifying photos of the aftermath. One of them was under the stairs and it had ripped the stair case apart. He then did the coffee tin example where they got a catering coffee tin and filled it with gas and lit it through a small hole. Lights off and wait for it to pop, although only the lid shot off it it was a good example as to the principles of what causes the explosion and why.

What they call him pal? as that method was a BG one they taught their instructors, along with mad Ted who would learn you all you had to know how dangerous LPG could be.........his demo went like this.....

Just before the coffee break, he would discharge a small amount of unlit LPG. Via a regulator and hose in a pit which was in a workshop around 2 feet below floor level.....then declare coffee time, on return 10-15 mins later he would gather you all round, and ask what he did before break and how long you had been on break, before you could answer he would throw a prepared taper in the pit, f......k it went with a flash and a bang, never forgot that ever!

 

[chris watkins]

i remember working with an old bloke when I was an apprentice, who was soldering the first elbow onto a meter union still connected up, the pipe was open ended about a foot away. When someone questioned him about it, he was literally unaware of the potential outcome. Mind you he passed through the old ACOP's which says a lot. It changed just before I started but from what I heard it was a group of people sat around a desk and if 1 person knew the answers then everyone passed.

Yes it was a bit like that, I remember a young lad being sent back & forth until he could tell the guy what a thermocouple was, got very embarrassing but they had to try to get all the people working with gas in from the cold as it were & signed up so that they could start the proses of training & assessment. Most people know what was going on & a lot did get weeded out after. (I slipped through the net though )

 

[Billy Bob Bob]

Thinking about it, how can you fail an open book assessment?

maybe he could not read but apart from that damned if i know

 

[vern]

Thinking about it, how can you fail an open book assessment?

Easy you get 3 goes and there are 4 answers lol, practicals a lot more easier to fail too!

 

[Mike Jackson]

I always do the refresher training. Mainly to get me back into the college way of thinking but there are quite often little things that have changed. The trouble is when you are doing it day in day out you do a lot of stuff in autopilot and have to really concentrate to explain what you have been doing.

I think the controls rig can be daunting at times. There are controls on there that you only ever see once every 5 years at re assessment time.

 

[vern]

I'll be honest, my ACS will be due in 2 years time, and it will be my first re-assessment since passing first time, and come that day, I'll be bricking it.

There's so much stuff I just don't come across in real life situations that I've forgotten already, I doubt I'd make it through without a bit of refreshment training first.

Don't go to Leeds Tom, or I will make them give you hell as you mock my WB boilers and fit ideals :cheesy:

 

[TBServices]

Don't go to Leeds Tom, or I will make them give you hell as you mock my WB boilers and fit ideals :cheesy:

Is Mark Cawood still there mate? Was a top bloke when I did my gas training there.

TBH, I've had a bad day with ideal today, was gonna make a thread but so peeved off ATM I can't face it lol.

 

[zeebeedee]

In my experience the Assesor will guide you on the obscure stuff "IF" he thinks your competent, failing on simple things like standing and working pressure would not fill anyone with confidence! The basic stuff is the most important, flues ventilation pressures and gas rates every gas engineer should know them or at least have a good idea and the common sense to look it up to clarify his thoughts.

Installer or service engineer it makes no odds, not knowing the difference between standing and working pressure is a disgrace

 

[vern]

I always do the refresher training. Mainly to get me back into the college way of thinking but there are quite often little things that have changed. The trouble is when you are doing it day in day out you do a lot of stuff in autopilot and have to really concentrate to explain what you have been doing.

I think the controls rig can be daunting at times. There are controls on there that you only ever see once every 5 years at re assessment time.

Lol as Mike says auto pilot, how do you purge your new gas pipes, I know what you do same as me and everyone else, but when you have the purge volumes to do and blurt out 5 x badged capacity sir on your CCN1 you will need to read your books, that just one example, now CPA1 is part of CCN1 the amount of older guys that crumble and shake when given an FGA is unreal too

 

[chris watkins]

I'll be honest, my ACS will be due in 2 years time, and it will be my first re-assessment since passing first time, and come that day, I'll be bricking it.

There's so much stuff I just don't come across in real life situations that I've forgotten already, I doubt I'd make it through without a bit of refreshment training first.

Just remember they are not out to fail you (it wasn't the exam this guy failed on it was the practical) most of us take some training before to brush up (there are always things that have changed, like med pressure back in as I found out). Do some reading up a week or so before (controls, fire if you don't do them ventilation etc)
What else would you guys read up on ??

 

[vern]

Installer or service engineer it makes no odds, not knowing the difference between standing and working pressure is a disgrace

Hence why he failed Zeb, and was sent for retraining, it's all in the definition, did he fail? Or just not pass lol!

 

[Billy Bob Bob]

I'll be honest, my ACS will be due in 2 years time, and it will be my first re-assessment since passing first time, and come that day, I'll be bricking it.

There's so much stuff I just don't come across in real life situations that I've forgotten already, I doubt I'd make it through without a bit of refreshment training first.

if your assessors any good they will coax you along as well and try to make things stick in your head,its not hard to explain to someone who does not know how things work or how do you do this there is a lot of ambiguity on the acs assessment things you dont see every day,they try to catch you out on purpose for example i was given 8 rigs and told 4 are faulty 4 are fine,i went though them first and found all 8 rigs had faults,after me a youngster went though he found 5 faulty rigs he was then taken though the 3 other faults and shown how to test things like oven bypasses he may never see on but that will stick in his head hopefully

 

[vern]

What else would you guys read up on ??

gas rating metric and imperial.
tightness testing inc medium pressure.
BS 5440 P 1 & 2 fluing and ventilation.
safe sits.

that should keep ya busy lol

 

[vern]

Is Mark Cawood still there mate? Was a top bloke when I did my gas training there.

TBH, I've had a bad day with ideal today, was gonna make a thread but so peeved off ATM I can't face it lol.

That college of building Tom? I was talking about NGST, no problems I know office wallers there too :devilish: now about this faulty ideal? Do tell in another thread though.....

 

[Billy Bob Bob]

gas rating metric and imperial.
tightness testing inc medium pressure.
BS 5440 P 1 & 2 fluing and ventilation.
safe sits.

that should keep ya busy lol

and purge volumes ventilate or burn off

 

[vern]

and purge volumes ventilate or burn off

PMSL Mark you can tell we have just had the 5 year dusting!

 

[Nostrum]

gas rating metric and imperial.
tightness testing inc medium pressure.
BS 5440 P 1 & 2 fluing and ventilation.
safe sits.

that should keep ya busy lol

is that done in such a way as to stop you splitting your trousers right down the bum crack?

 

[vern]

is that done in such a way as to stop you splitting your trousers right down the bum crack?

Lol depends if he is a nice boy :tongue:

 

[zeebeedee]

I'm up in 6 months and don't remember anything called safe sits or burn offs!!!!!! What's that all about?

 

[Rickster123]

Nice cheerful thread to put everyone in a calm and happy mood for the weekend....

 

[Billy Bob Bob]

I'm up in 6 months and don't remember anything called safe sits or burn offs!!!!!! What's that all about?

meter and pipework sizes,mainly because we can work up to u16 and 35mm pipework fairly easy to work out though,with a calculator

 

[REDSAW]

i was told by my assessor that even attitude can fail you, like too cocky. also the pressure can get your brain pickled like mine.lol

 

[zeebeedee]

meter and pipework sizes,mainly because we can work up to u16 and 35mm pipework fairly easy to work out though,with a calculator

A good reason to do the refresher training