Opinion on quality of pipe work (pictures)

[Rob567]

Hi forum

I had a new boiler put in and some pipes were put into the kitchen ceiling. I'm now in disagreement with the plumber as to whether the elbows of the plastic pipes are hanging too low. We are to plaster the ceiling but 3 separate plasterers have said its a poor job and they'll have to lower the ceiling.

Is there anyone there that can give me an objective opinion on these elbows?



Thanks

 

[Billy Bob Bob]

crap work and no way will a ceiling go flat against that,cant that plumber solder?plastic pipe and fittings disaster waiting to happen

 

[hammers4spanner]

Thats pretty pants to be fair , cant see any excuses other than lazyness

 

[Rob567]

Thanks for the replies. There was a ceiling when they he did the work. Laths and plaster. After the work was done I took the rest of the ceiling down. He says that the elbows were left so they'd fit if the ceiling was overboarded and that now "all" I need done is for the ceiling to be lowered.

 

[PlumbBobBob]

get him back to correct it to your satisfaction i.e done in copper

 

[stegas]

I always avoid plastic pipes..called out to a job years ago as they had a leak. Turned out to be on the hot water from a combi(in hep) the fitting come apart at the weekend when the house was empty and hot water was pouring out all weekend an made a right mess of the kitchen..not a happy chap. COPPER FOR ME.

 

[tamz]

It's easy to criticise others work. All i see is 3 plastic pipes and a bit copper.
If you don't like it get him back.

 

[SimonJohns]

B and q fittings. Looks like DIY to me

 

[tamz]

BandQ don't sell poly Simon

 

[Billy Bob Bob]

It's easy to criticise others work. All i see is 3 plastic pipes and a bit copper.
If you don't like it get him back.

tam i was expecting better from you,looking for words like a dogs dinner,plastic disaster LOL

 

[tamz]

As said. All i see is some plastic and a bit copper. I personally don't like plastic but the reality is it is used just as much as copper.

The checks are on the limit for the joist size. Strap the ceiling down with 2 x 1" sheet it and forget it.

 

[SimonJohns]

BandQ don't sell poly Simon

Doesn't look like poly to me. Looks like the b and q alternative to the old hep2o non demountable

 

[tamz]

It is polyplumb Simon.


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[Phil]

A plasterer just needs to screw a few battens to the bottom of the joists and board over, don't be notching joists on the bottom.

 

[stevetheplumber]

is it my eyes or have they notched the bottom of the joists ?if they have board it over quick before anyone sees it a good ds will have all the joists changed

 

[TBServices]

I don't understand how the plumber has notched the joists, clipped the pipes from underneath and even screwed a wrap over to the underside of the floorboards while the kitchen ceiling was still up. Something not right about this thread.

 

[tamz]

I don't understand how the plumber has notched the joists, clipped the pipes from underneath and even screwed a wrap over to the underside of the floorboards while the kitchen ceiling was still up. Something not right about this thread.

Exactly! The internet is a wonderful place.

Steve notches are allowed on the bottom of a joist in accordance with BS5268-2 no matter what a qs or clerk says but they are better on the top.

 

[Gray0689]

Agree it is poly plumb fittings and pipe
And whether you like plastic or not it does get used a lot I personally don't mind either way ill use copper and plastic what ever the job requires I have fitted tens of thousands of metres of underfloor heating (its still plastic pipe) and also pipe in pipe,prefer using manifolds as not overly keen on fittings

But as said it is to low for ceiling to be reinstated your installer should of drilled joints and fed it through so yes they should fix it or it will cost you a lot more to lower ceiling

 

[secret squirrel]

First of all the old argument, plastic blah blah plastic etc.

I think Tamz is spot on, easy to critise others work, the ceiling or majority was taken down after the install, we do not know what was agreed on site with the plumber or the circumstances.

Or even what conversations took place.

How many times on this forum have we had plumbers complaining about customers changing what they want, maybe it was explained to the customer about the ceiling and the customer said just leave it.

Why has the customer had more than 1 plasterer in and is now listening to them!

 

[Rob567]

The plumber removeda small portion of the ceiling to get the pipes in. I've had some plasterers in to quote for redoing the ceiling plus other work. While in they all commented on the elbows. As did the builders who were in to bring the kitchen wall down.

I was looking to this forum to help me make a decision as to whether to stop complaining and just accept what it is whilst paying a bit more for the ceiling to be lowered before plastering or to push back and insist the elbow is either moved up (something he has said will cost me half a days labour) or replace entirely with copper.

Mixed reactions here though so still not sure

 

[chris watkins]

Exactly! The internet is a wonderful place.

Steve notches are allowed on the bottom of a joist in accordance with BS5268-2 no matter what a qs or clerk says but they are better on the top.

Hi tamz I have had a quick look through BS5268-2 can't see anything about cutting underside can you point me to the appropriate section / page, please ? It may be worth putting some limitations on cutting them otherwise we may have some of the young-en's cutting a third of the way through in the middle of the span, just like I see them doing on the top of the joists.

 

[Gray0689]

No need to notch when using plastic should be drilled

 

[chris watkins]

The plumber removeda small portion of the ceiling to get the pipes in. I've had some plasterers in to quote for redoing the ceiling plus other work. While in they all commented on the elbows. As did the builders who were in to bring the kitchen wall down.

I was looking to this forum to help me make a decision as to whether to stop complaining and just accept what it is whilst paying a bit more for the ceiling to be lowered before plastering or to push back and insist the elbow is either moved up (something he has said will cost me half a days labour) or replace entirely with copper.

Mixed reactions here though so still not sure

Nothing wrong with use of plastic (it's just old plumbers moaning) unless you asked for copper.
Unless you had a conversion with your plumber as to what was going to happen to the ceiling i.e. was going to be pulled down & redone complete, then he could reasonable have carried out his work under the apprehension that the ceiling was going to be repaired by over-boarding it which is a common technique, so as long as the elbows would have been hidden by this then IMHO it is down to you.

 

[Gray0689]

Over boarding still would not of covered them elbows imho
But agree we don't know the full story we wasn't there

 

[Kev the gas]

From the pictures, why will it be massively expensive to run battens across the joists with 2x 1 ?

sounds like the plasterers are making a meal of it, :44:.

If you keep moaning about it the job will never get completed, get it done and stop moaning !