Plumber / Gas Jobs

[ecowarm]

£24p/h

 

[GQuigley67]

higher cost of living but better way of life imho, im only looking for a few years working holiday though nothing permanent

 

[PlumbBobBob]

it's around £24 ph

beat me lol

 

[peteheat]

There was a time the old Cap & Gown meant something, employers and customers insisted on it as if it was the best maybe only way they knew they were employing a "Tradesman".

The tradesman was proud to be able to say, Yes I have served my time and I have the papers to show everyone the qualification that said "He knows his trade".

Maybe its time to tell C&G that they are destroying a system of standards that was recognised worldwide as a symbol of quality and now unless they change their ways a new method of certification will have to be found.

As for the training centres surely there must be a way to have them before the courts for mis-representing the courses they are providing?

I can not see any way that anyone could achieve the knowledge to put themselves forward as a plumber who knows his trade from a ten day course, the ad above is telling the unsuspecting possibly often desperate that they will have the skills necessary to start their business at the end of the course.

Those of us who have been in the trade rarely have a week where we don't come across something new, however it is the foundation of knowledge and experience that allows us to undertake each new project with confidence.

They are a scam on both the existing tradesmen, their trainees and the consumers.

 

[ecowarm]

I totally agree Pete, NVQ, C&Q are now worthless rubbish. I dont know where this will end, plumbers on minimum wage because every other person has a bit of paper to say that they are a plumber. They will soon be giving them away free when you buy a packet of Cornflakes.

I suppose it will slow when the public realise plumbers are not earning megabucks but £8P/H

 

[scotty plumber]

Well said pete

 

[glenno1]

I find it strange that up here(north) we get plumbing vacancies emailed for jobs down south and visa versa which makes me think is there realy any vacancies

 

[peteheat]

I totally agree Pete, NVQ, C&Q are now worthless rubbish. I dont know where this will end, plumbers on minimum wage because every other person has a bit of paper to say that they are a plumber. They will soon be giving them away free when you buy a packet of Cornflakes.

I suppose it will slow when the public realise plumbers are not earning megabucks but £8P/H

Maybe it will be "Reviewed" when consumers start getting seriously injured by mistakes made by the new "Ten Day Plumbers"?

It doesn't take much being left out of a pressurised system to have a potential bomb left in a consumers house.

I went to a pellet boiler before Christmas where the PRV had been blanked off with an end cap, the reason was there had been a small drip from it.

The consumers are now asking for accumulator tanks, pressurised cylinders, solid fuel stoves being attached to existing systems.

A demo web site (not completed) I have is called Solar Repairs worth a visit to see the remains of pressure vessel that exploded and I think I may have the photos of the replacement vessel and pump station that had been installed, great technology can be lethal in the hands of those who can't appreciate the dangers of not doing a job properly.

If the link is against the rules mods please remove it.

 

[ecowarm]

Maybe it will be "Reviewed" when consumers start getting seriously injured by mistakes made by the new "Ten Day Plumbers"?

Not in this country they wont, they will just apply more NVQ based test for everyone.

Like I had a ECITB Grade 5 Advanced Pipefitter card a few years ago and it was based on qualifications and experience. Now the ECITB have a new card and mine is worthless, I have spoken to them and the only way to get the latest card is to have an assessor come to site and assess me. I have missed the "Grandfather" rights cut off.

The same with lead work it now costs £2500 to get the

Specialist Apprenticeship Programme (SAP) Heritage Leadwork NVQ Level 3​

[h=3]Who should attend?[/h]

[FONT='Helvetica Neue', Arial, sans-serif]Those candidates who have successfully completed the Metal Roofing NVQ Level 2 Lead/Hard Metals. [/FONT]Experienced leadworkers already working at the level of competence and wishing to work on pre-1919 heritage and listed buildings projects[FONT='Helvetica Neue', Arial, sans-serif]. My City & Guilds is again worthless even the trade of plumber (worker of lead) [/FONT]


[FONT='Helvetica Neue', Arial, sans-serif]So all my C&G and years of training and experience just get wiped out, and yes they had the "Grandfathers rights" as well, but if you dont work on a part of our trade for a few years do you forget all that was learnt and have to go back to an apprentice.[/FONT]

You never foget how to ride a bike and I will never forget how to boss an internal corner in sheet lead or how to develop a reducing branch on carbon steel pipe.

[FONT='Helvetica Neue', Arial, sans-serif]I can ride a bike and passed my cycling proficiency, will I have to pass it again or an NVQ to get back on the road soon?[/FONT]​

 

[mountainman]

Perhaps we ourselves are authors of our own downfall to some extent.

Look at some of the really daft questions that get lots of replies but very few of the replies say 'get a plumber in'

After a while a persistent poster gets a green dot on their forum Id and bgin to dish out advice on a subject on which they have no knowledge other than that gleaned on this and other fora.

 

[ecowarm]

We can only give the correct info as we know it, and if someone is giving incorrect advise just keep correcting them polity and if they persist, report to mods

We can give advise to diy'er as long as it is not going to endanger anyone. You can't just say "get a plumber in" the forum would soon die a quick death IMO

 

[mountainman]

I'm not so sure it would die a death.
Most diyers understand their limitations and are pleased with the info given.

It is of course hypocritical to complain about 'six week wonders' devaluing our profession when we ourselves are creating 'armchair plumbers' who's tool kit mainly comprises of a computer and a Screwfix catalogue.

 

[Bernie2]

Once again licence required in Oz

 

[Bernie2]

What is missing is not qualification but hands on experience. It is assumed because you have paper qualification you can do the job. Well I just read a book about how to fly and aeroplane, I am now going to pilot the Majorca flight. Anybody coming?

 

[ecowarm]

Yes I'm up for it Bernie read the book "how to be a good air hostess" and produced the Advert anyone coming now

 

[mountainman]

I'll have some of that lads, if we get into bother we'll just just post a question on the 'Airline Pilots' forum and someone will help.