Press fit purchase, possibly rothenberger

[JasetheMace]

Hi, and thanks for any advice before I start, I'm looking to buy a press fit machine but getting a bit bogged down in detail, I have searched the forum and found a few good posts but nothing specific to what I am looking for.
Questions I would like to know the answers too are:-

1. Can they be used on Gas and/or oil?

2. Do all units work on all fittings? provided they have M jaws? or are there specific ones for mapress and xpress?

3. Any hints or tips on getting better price?

4. which fittings are easier to buy? mapress or xpress?

5. The rothenberger compact one seems to be cheapest, Is this ok for both types of fittings? It seems this is cheapest one:
https://www.jtatkinson.co.uk/rothen...fDvVk5pkdtNN8XCxnzYlWvlpSG8TqjkYaAt40EALw_wcB
But it doesn't specify if it includes jaws, Any body bought this one?

6. How much is the calibration/ service?

 

[Riley]

1. Yes specific fittings for each
2. M jaws work on mapress, sanha and xpress take a look at Pipework Systems | Pipes | Fitting | Valves | Pipekit and use their live chat. Their people are experts on what works with what.
3. Shop around mate. I got mine second hand but is mint apart from a bit of dust
4. Depends where you are mate, some places stick them all the time. Maybe phone round. I usually have to overnight mine using the people above.
5.cant help you line is novopress
6. Mine was about £110 inc vat and 4 jaws

 

[WC1]

Hi Jase, I would also be interested to know the above. I am thinking of moving to press fit this year. Never been to a plumbing trade show but I might go to phex? This summer to get my grubby paws on a couple of machines. Can't beat hands on.

 

[Riley]

I use a combination of press and endfeed now. It is staggering how much it speeds up installs. I was amazed.

 

[JasetheMace]

Hi Jase, I would also be interested to know the above. I am thinking of moving to press fit this year. Never been to a plumbing trade show but I might go to phex? This summer to get my grubby paws on a couple of machines. Can't beat hands on.

I was just literally thinking this- plumbing show would be perfect place to learn all about them, the worst thing is that I went to a show last year and geberit said they would call me but never did!

 

[JasetheMace]

I use a combination of press and endfeed now. It is staggering how much it speeds up installs. I was amazed.

which machine do you use? or do you hire it?

 

[Riley]

I have a novopress bought second hand. Really really impressed

 

[Riley]

@ShaunCorbs @Chalked anything to add chaps these guys answered my questions before I purchased

 

[JasetheMace]

I have a novopress bought second hand. Really really impressed

I was wandering whether to buy from eBay! how much is service?

 

[Riley]

As per 6 above

 

[JasetheMace]

1. Yes specific fittings for each
2. M jaws work on mapress, sanha and xpress take a look at Pipework Systems | Pipes | Fitting | Valves | Pipekit and use their live chat. Their people are experts on what works with what.
3. Shop around mate. I got mine second hand but is mint apart from a bit of dust
4. Depends where you are mate, some places stick them all the time. Maybe phone round. I usually have to overnight mine using the people above.
5.cant help you line is novopress
6. Mine was about £110 inc vat and 4 jaws

only just saw this, thank you

 

[ShaunCorbs]

Yes they can but different seals for gas/oil also they only go down to 15mm

M profile works with

Geberit Mapress
Yorkshire x press
Sanha upto 54mm
Mpress

Speak to a geberit rep they might be able to help eg buy x amount of fittings get a tool for free

I get mine from either pipekit or bss (geberit)

I’ve got 3

Novopress (geberit also have them under there own name but there just rebranded novos)

Aco103 upto 35mm
Aco203 upto 66.7mm
Aco301 upto 108mm

I highly recommend novopress aco102/103 it’s a brilliant little tool be aware that the new103 doesn’t come with the rotation head

Around the 100 mark

 

[ShaunCorbs]

I was wandering whether to buy from eBay! how much is service?

Have to be careful with eBay as I’ve seen a lot of hire stuff being sold prob still on hire

 

[Jerry]

Hi,

I use the Geberit machine for their Mapress fittings.

I got the machine for free from the Rep and I had to but the jaws.

 

[JasetheMace]

Hi,

I use the Geberit machine for their Mapress fittings.

I got the machine for free from the Rep and I had to but the jaws.

How did you find the rep?

Just found the number, on website, have text rep, will ring if no answer in next couple days

 

[Riley]

Could you post their details

 

[JasetheMace]

Could you post their details

Piping Sales Team | Geberit UK

 

[Jerry]

How did you find the rep?

Just found the number, on website, have text rep, will ring if no answer in next couple days

Through my new wholesaler! I had to purchase the gun and then they refunded it. It took longer than expected..

 

[MOSSEP]

I use a REMS mini press, it came as a kit from pegler with 3 jaws and a few other bits. I get most of my fittings from Williams, they keep them on the shelf in maidstone but there are also online places that do quick delivery.

 

[JasetheMace]

So after speaking to Geberit rep and local merchants I got some great information:
1. The geberit is only sold by a few merchants,
Graham's, plumb centre, pts and bss I believe.
2. The current geberit offer is £500 off the total price of unit cash back after purchase (although not very clear what needs to be done for this)
3. The geberit unit currently on sale does not have twisting jaws and the one that does twist is no longer available plus jaws are sold seperately but does have bluetooth. Trade price is around £1400 +VAT minus £500 cashback from Geberit.
4. The rothenberger unit includes 3 jaws and 1 battery plus a free torch and extra battery and charger £1050 inc VAT.

I decided to go with rothenberger as much easier to get hold of and cheaper.

I have 1 question though! Can pressfit be used straight off cylinder/boiler or does it still require 1 metre?
If it can be used, where do I find this information?
Using xpress fittings as around 1/3 of price.

 

[ShaunCorbs]

Yes you can use it straight off a boiler

 

[Jerry]

Why does it need bluetooth?

 

[ShaunCorbs]

you can tell how many presses its done and a status update

 

[FA25]

I've got the Milwaukee 12v press tool with m jaws from 15mm to 28mm & it makes a huge difference time & aesthetics wise. Fittings are a bit pricey but you can justify it easily. I still solder & use push fittings depending on job also.

 

[JasetheMace]

I've got the Milwaukee 12v press tool with m jaws from 15mm to 28mm & it makes a huge difference time & aesthetics wise. Fittings are a bit pricey but you can justify it easily. I still solder & use push fittings depending on job also.

Yeah, I just priced up a whole load of fittings for stock and it came to £500!
Decided to only buy what I need for now!