removing old soil pipe...tough !

[mrlennie]

OMGoodness big risk you took taking it out then, Don't worry about the donation, just send your poops to gas safe as they won't let me in without working with someone who is gas safe - and guess what noone wants to take me on as I will be competition for them - well duh!

 

[k13wjd]

Don't worry about the donation,

the local charity is my bathroom...

 

[mrlennie]

lol well squeeze out one of them bad boys for me - and remember

Gas Safe Register
PO BOX 6804
Basingstoke
RG24 4NB

 

[tamz]

You could tell just by looking at it that it was solvent. btw it is terrain.

Just solvent the new pipe into it.

Lennie.
I know you are not qualified but learn your materials a bit better. A flexcon to join a 4" plastic ffs. Use a collar.

 

[k13wjd]

thanks tamz - and everyone else for that matter.


good to see that i can get advice without everyone coming out with " your an idiot, call a plumber" !!!

 

[Toddyplumb]

Get some solvent cleaner as well and clean that socket before you glue it !

 

[mrlennie]

You could tell just by looking at it that it was solvent. btw it is terrain.

Just solvent the new pipe into it.

Lennie.
I know you are not qualified but learn your materials a bit better. A flexcon to join a 4" plastic ffs. Use a collar.

The flex was if he couldn't get a fitting in, was that not right?

 

[tamz]

The flex was if he couldn't get a fitting in, was that not right?

You could use it but it would look bad. It is not the right thing for the job.
You would use a single or double socket. Preferrably a single as you wouldn't need to chamfer the edge of the pipe in an awkward place.

Next time you are in the merchants lift a load of brochures on different materials and have a read through. Drain center usually have lots.
You will learn a lot from them.

 

[mrlennie]

I will thanks. The nearest drain center is 100 mile away in inverness but I could get them to send me some catalogues. thanks tamz

 

[tamz]

I forgot you were up in the wilderness

Go on the internet and get them sent out from everyone you can think of.

Marley
Osma
Polypipe
Terrain
McAlpine
Hunter
Timesaver

etc etc.

You may think all manufacturers do the same stuff but they don't.

 

[k13wjd]

when i was in grahams, i looked at a HEP coupling fitting...£££££ seriosuly overpriced, £23 iirc.


so glad i didn't use a flexi like i was first told 2 weeks ago - i'm hearing horror stories now....

 

[k13wjd]

Re: removing old soil pipe...tough ! update with pics...more help needed !

right then, 1 tub of solvent clean, and one tub of solvent. Measured up, double checked, made woodwork for pipe supports....re-checked measurements...CUT.

Now, it does fit in the right place, but its facing the roof !!!!

look for yourself.
New pipe in ( dry)

New 90 degree elbow in, no seal ATM

Bottom of unit shimmed - very close to the thickness of my tiles.

Again, shimmed out from the wall by the thickness of a tile.

and WAYHEY, its like a flume !!!!

the nice hole in the panel lines up perfectly with the output of the pan ( when the toilet is shimmed by the same as the unit.


so then, whats my options ??? Flexi from the pan into the 90 ( 2.5 ;-) ) bend, with a short peice of soil pipe ?????

any advice welcome guys. I genuinely appreciate everyones help with this.

 

[Toddyplumb]

Re: removing old soil pipe...tough ! update with pics...more help needed !

Whos a clever boy then Angled pan connector
Next lesson ......copper

 

[k13wjd]

Re: removing old soil pipe...tough ! update with pics...more help needed !

oh, copper is already done, as i mentioned, i just finished my own CH system, from scratch.

i'm sure i have a 104 degree pan connector about - i'll go work out the angle of dangle of that pipe first.

i guess i had better go figure out the "angle of dangle"

10 cm over 50 cm, 90deg at one corner, = 78.5 degrees....

 

[tamz]

You have a few options depending on what you fancy doing.

The pipe is rising through the unit at too steep an angle so.

1. You could cut the hole lower at the bottom of the unit to allow the pipe to drop. It will then go on with a std pan connector. There is a bit play on them.
2. Get a terrain ringseal adaptor (109) and fit it to the branch instead of gluing it. This will allow a slight deflection at the joint and get you up an inch or so.
3. Get 2 x 45 deg bends inserted to each other and make an offset which could be turned slightly to the side to give the correct height.
4. Get an 11.5 deg bend (only available as drain ie orange) and fit it into the 90. This will straighten the pipe coming through the unit.
5. Use a flexi

An angled pan connector is 14 degrees. It won't be any use to you unless you want to sit the pan on a stool (pun intended)

 

[k13wjd]

Re: removing old soil pipe...tough ! update with pics...more help needed !

180-78.5 = 101.5 degrees to horizontal.


not100% sure of what angle pan connectors are out there....104 will fit though,right?

 

[k13wjd]

the hole in the unit lines up with the output of the pan.....how many degrees will a std pan connector tolerate before it becomes an issue???

 

[k13wjd]

and tamz, which would be BESTin your eyes???

 

[tamz]

A 14 degree connector will not do. The connection would be about 3 - 4" higher than it should be where it connects to the pan.

The easiest is a flexi.
The best is probably use an 11.5 deg drainage bend into the 90 or cut the unit to allow the pipe to drop.

 

[Toddyplumb]

Mcalpine 45 degree pan connector ? Probably too much (angle)
Why is it they never make the 11 1/2 , 22 etc in soil colours ?
Having gone to all this trouble dont you dare use a flexi
Must admit on these back to unit WC s we normally cut a slot to the ground, if you are carefull you can remove the back panel with the WC pulled forward an inch , can be useful for checkin joints. If you did this you could use straight pan connector probably

 

[tamz]

Why is it they never make the 11 1/2 , 22 etc in soil colours ? Though that one for years.
Having gone to all this trouble dont you dare use a flexi
Must admit on these back to unit WC s we normally cut a slot to the ground, This is what is normally done. if you are carefull you can remove the back panel with the WC pulled forward an inch , can be useful for checkin joints. If you did this you could use straight pan connector probably

A slot means the panel can normally be removed without removing the pan if access is ever needed.

 

[k13wjd]

i'll re-cut the hole, and look at the problem again. once again guys, thanks a million.

at least a nice slot will allow make fitting the flush pipe nice and easy, and i'll be able to take a look at it, to ensure its "flush"

 

[k13wjd]

Re: removing old soil pipe...tough ! Updated AGAIN with photo's

Right then, i think i've cracked it.

Went out today and bought a selection of bends, and the best fit by far is a 15 degree single socket. Fits in nice !

so, i've remounted the unit, shimmed it all up, measured my pan etc, cut a nice peice of 110mm soil for pan connector to 15degree, offered it all up, and it fits like a sweetie. just a shame its orange ! Marked all the pipes with a pan, to ensure they are home in the socket, which they are.

SO, tonight i'll solvent weld that pipe to the soil stack - 24 hours before i can use it right ?? its osmo 1+2 solvent stuff i bought. i've given it a right good clean out..most of the old weld came out with the inside pipe. any tips for the new solvent weld ??? it seems like a giant airfix project !!!

as for the soil pipe i cut, i PRESUME the done thing is to put a nice chamfer on the cut end, so it slides nicely into the seal. i've done it anyway, so i hope it is !!!! all nice and smooth so it won't nick a seal.


as for the straight pan connector - having never fitted a loo, im not 100% sure what to look for in a good connector - so how does this one look....from screwfix IIRC. the seal is a nice tight fit in the 110mm soil pipe, and it seals well onto the pan outlet.

here's a few pics.

 

[Toddyplumb]

Re: removing old soil pipe...tough ! Updated AGAIN with photo's

JUst make sure its all clean and grease free and away you go . Well done !

The bloomin 14 degree pan connector would have worked now ! LOL

 

[k13wjd]

Re: removing old soil pipe...tough ! Updated AGAIN with photo's

well, i just solvent welded my first pipe - and i must say it went quite well, gloves on, parts cleaned, glue on both, stick in, twist a tad...and BINGO.

all i can say is WOW, that solvent weld is good gear.... i presume thats the stuff kids put in plastic bags and sniff ??? pretty strong stuff !

i'll leave it overnight, and re-assemble the unit in the morning, before christening it HMS poopalot.