Now compare that to inflation.
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Now compare that to inflation.
Watching the program on bbc1 now on the witch! She has just said in her own words "there are those that are using violence and intimidation to impose there will on others who do not want it and it must not succeed"
But sadly the bitc h did. Oh the irony listening to them words while watching riot police beating the crap out of people!
But sadly the bitc h did. Oh the irony listening to them words while watching riot police beating the crap out of people!
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petercj
For the benefit of those who missed out on the Thatcher years due to still be a twinkle in someone's eye, Trade Unionists were an aggressive race of people who invaded Britain in the 1970's. They had strange ideas that were alien to Mrs T, for example, they used words like: "society", "solidarity", and some talked of redistributing wealth to make society fairer. No doubt you can understand why Mrs T found their language so offensive.
They were a cheeky lot, and sometimes carried banners, one of their weird beliefs was that people had a right to have a job!!!
They glowed red in the dark, and rumour had it that they were found by some people under their beds!
Had Mrs T not done battle with this race of invaders they may have taken over the county, possibly even the whole world!
Had that happened we would all now be walking around red and glowing in the dark, imagine how embarrassing that would be!
There would be little pink children running everywhere!
I hope I haven't frightened anyone by talking about these terrible dark days - please don't have nightmares.
When you go to bed tonight take a quick look under your bed, and when you see it's all clear, just say a quiet little: 'thank you' to Margaret for saving us all from the big bad unions!
Night, night - god bless!
They were a cheeky lot, and sometimes carried banners, one of their weird beliefs was that people had a right to have a job!!!
They glowed red in the dark, and rumour had it that they were found by some people under their beds!
Had Mrs T not done battle with this race of invaders they may have taken over the county, possibly even the whole world!
Had that happened we would all now be walking around red and glowing in the dark, imagine how embarrassing that would be!
There would be little pink children running everywhere!
I hope I haven't frightened anyone by talking about these terrible dark days - please don't have nightmares.
When you go to bed tonight take a quick look under your bed, and when you see it's all clear, just say a quiet little: 'thank you' to Margaret for saving us all from the big bad unions!
Night, night - god bless!
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Ray Stafford
Ha didnt see that! :32:
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Guest123
Quoting figures and percentages is a typical Tory response. The facts are despite what figures you produce, unemployment peaked at 3 million, her policies decimated whole towns, cities and destroyed communities while the rich fat cats got richer. She was a ruthless despot that wouldn't listen to anyone.
There was actually a celebration in George Square last night, such is the legacy she left.
There was actually a celebration in George Square last night, such is the legacy she left.
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Ray Stafford
So my statistics are a "typical tory responses" but your statistics are "facts"? Surely you can see the irony there Colin?
And incidentally, I am not a Tory, I am a card carrying UKIP member.
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Guest123
Yes Ray my comments about her are facts. She divided a nation and the legacy of her ruthless policies are still with us today. Blair and Brown carried the torch for her and now it's Cameron and Clegg with their "not for turning austerity policies" which are taken right out of a Thatcherite manual.
So you claim that the economy improved? It did for a while. Remember "boom and bust" and all the yuppies jumping out of windows because they'd lost their fortunes? No one who vividly remembers her 'reign' will claim thst her economic policies were a success outside London. She divided a nation, destroyed families and communities with the ruthlessness of a dictator. 350, 000 miners lost their livelihoods with nothing to replace it.
Her huge unemployment queue swallowed up the assets of North Sea oil at that time and created a divided society with large amounts of people unemployed with no prospects and the rest became a greedy 'gimme' society.
The only portrayal of Thatcher that I liked was her Spitting Image puppet. How appropriate.
So you claim that the economy improved? It did for a while. Remember "boom and bust" and all the yuppies jumping out of windows because they'd lost their fortunes? No one who vividly remembers her 'reign' will claim thst her economic policies were a success outside London. She divided a nation, destroyed families and communities with the ruthlessness of a dictator. 350, 000 miners lost their livelihoods with nothing to replace it.
Her huge unemployment queue swallowed up the assets of North Sea oil at that time and created a divided society with large amounts of people unemployed with no prospects and the rest became a greedy 'gimme' society.
The only portrayal of Thatcher that I liked was her Spitting Image puppet. How appropriate.
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I never liked her but to be fair i have not liked any since consecutive poor govt's imo
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petercj
We must remember the legacy of Thatcher ...
The privatisation of the utilities being one such example, i.e. families being ripped off for gas and electric while the companies responsible celebrate their massive profits. As a nation we have no plans for keeping energy flowing in the future, so we are now looking at buying gas from America, so anyone who feels ripped off now should brace themselves for a real rooking in the future.
We are ripped off for the water that falls from the sky, and again, while congratulating themselves on their profits the companies involved ignore essential maintenance and allow huge amounts of water to seep away. They are also ignore the need to expand storage which contributes to water shortages after a couple of weeks without rain. But so what! The imbalance in supply and demand created by their negligence means that they can charge more for the stuff that falls out of the sky, and water shortages give the companies a mandate to charge for water by the litre! How proud Mrs T must have been of these private companies for exploiting the opportunities she created for them.
Let's not forget the railways, and the mess caused by breaking up delivery of a rail service between many companies. Yes time-tables may have improved, but then increasingly, large numbers of people can no longer afford to travel by train due to continuing increase in fares. This is happening at a time when we have overcrowded and poorly maintained roads, and rapidly rising fuel costs. But hey, so what! Profit is the name of the game, so forget the bigger picture and buy some shares in these wonderful private companies doing such a splendid job following Mrs T's belief in "private is always best!"
Mrs T enabled people living in council owned property to buy and own their own homes! Surely that must be something to celebrate?
Well it was for those who bought their own homes at a discount, but the downside was that new homes were not built with the capital raised. The truth of the matter being that Mrs T didn't give two hoots about people owning their own homes, she was ideologically opposed to the State providing homes for people who couldn't afford to buy their own, and so used her home buying policy to run down the Nation's stock of housing. The growth of the private renting sector created by Mrs T has made a major contribution to the rising cost of housing over three decades. Homes in disrepair have been bought up by landlords, which has excluded many potential first time buyers who might have got a foot on the housing ladder by buying cheap and renovating through their own time and labour.
The privatisation of State provision of housing has seen Housing Benefit soar, and ironically a Tory Government has now placed a cap on the level of Housing Benefit that can be paid, meaning that in some parts of the country people are having to uproot and relocate.
Some people applaud Mrs T for "sorting out the unions" (mainly those with a vested interest in getting labour as cheap as possible), however, they forget to mourn the collateral damage on manufacturing industry caused by Mrs T's war on working people, i.e. those having enough sense to organise themselves so as to improve Health and Safety at work; to progressively improve general working conditions, and to fight for a living wage that was once (past tense) enough for the average family to buy a home, and feed their families while keeping them warm.
For anyone who thinks that conditions of service and wages improved for working people due to the altruism and good deeds of employers, I suggest doing a bit of reading re British industry, and taking a visit down to Tolpuddle in Dorset, where there is a small museum telling the story of farm workers who were deported as criminals for daring to organise themselves in an attempt to get better working conditions.
With the help of Saatchi & Saatchi at great public expense, Thatcher was able to demonise trade unionists and turn working people against each other. The knee-jerk reactions of some Trade Union leaders helped her in her task, however, many people were fighting for their jobs and their livelihoods, so little wonder if passions ran high at times. I'll never forget on a trip to Wales driving through shopping areas where shop after shop was boarded up. The impact on communities so affected by Thatcherism was devastating. Such images rarely appeared in the media, however, video of miners struggling with the police in London were shown over, and over, and over again. The same piece of footage would be regularly played to sway viewers in favour of Thatcher, and against the Unions.
Many people in Britain were (are) happy to reap the benefits achieved by the Unions over many decades, while condemning the very organisations that fought for those benefits.
BTW, I ran two businesses through the Thatcher’s years, and I've never seen any great benefit to small businesses through Thatcherism. The joke of that time was that Mrs T did a lot to create small business, i.e. you bought a large business and waited for it to shrink!
Small businesses do best when ordinary people have money in their pockets to spend.
The kind of capitalism Thatcherism supports is the kind where people with capital to invest sit on their backside and cream off a profit from the labour of others.
The current financial crisis caused by runaway Bankers was classic Thatcherism working at its uncontrolled and unfettered best,<sic> i.e. the free market reigns over all.
Rip-off Britain is a monument to Margaret Thatcher.
RIP Margaret Thatcher - "a woman whose policies made a small number of people very rich at the expense of the many, and to the abject misery of some folk".
No doubt she will be defended to the death by the Party faithful, and those in affiliated Right Wing organisations.
The privatisation of the utilities being one such example, i.e. families being ripped off for gas and electric while the companies responsible celebrate their massive profits. As a nation we have no plans for keeping energy flowing in the future, so we are now looking at buying gas from America, so anyone who feels ripped off now should brace themselves for a real rooking in the future.
We are ripped off for the water that falls from the sky, and again, while congratulating themselves on their profits the companies involved ignore essential maintenance and allow huge amounts of water to seep away. They are also ignore the need to expand storage which contributes to water shortages after a couple of weeks without rain. But so what! The imbalance in supply and demand created by their negligence means that they can charge more for the stuff that falls out of the sky, and water shortages give the companies a mandate to charge for water by the litre! How proud Mrs T must have been of these private companies for exploiting the opportunities she created for them.
Let's not forget the railways, and the mess caused by breaking up delivery of a rail service between many companies. Yes time-tables may have improved, but then increasingly, large numbers of people can no longer afford to travel by train due to continuing increase in fares. This is happening at a time when we have overcrowded and poorly maintained roads, and rapidly rising fuel costs. But hey, so what! Profit is the name of the game, so forget the bigger picture and buy some shares in these wonderful private companies doing such a splendid job following Mrs T's belief in "private is always best!"
Mrs T enabled people living in council owned property to buy and own their own homes! Surely that must be something to celebrate?
Well it was for those who bought their own homes at a discount, but the downside was that new homes were not built with the capital raised. The truth of the matter being that Mrs T didn't give two hoots about people owning their own homes, she was ideologically opposed to the State providing homes for people who couldn't afford to buy their own, and so used her home buying policy to run down the Nation's stock of housing. The growth of the private renting sector created by Mrs T has made a major contribution to the rising cost of housing over three decades. Homes in disrepair have been bought up by landlords, which has excluded many potential first time buyers who might have got a foot on the housing ladder by buying cheap and renovating through their own time and labour.
The privatisation of State provision of housing has seen Housing Benefit soar, and ironically a Tory Government has now placed a cap on the level of Housing Benefit that can be paid, meaning that in some parts of the country people are having to uproot and relocate.
Some people applaud Mrs T for "sorting out the unions" (mainly those with a vested interest in getting labour as cheap as possible), however, they forget to mourn the collateral damage on manufacturing industry caused by Mrs T's war on working people, i.e. those having enough sense to organise themselves so as to improve Health and Safety at work; to progressively improve general working conditions, and to fight for a living wage that was once (past tense) enough for the average family to buy a home, and feed their families while keeping them warm.
For anyone who thinks that conditions of service and wages improved for working people due to the altruism and good deeds of employers, I suggest doing a bit of reading re British industry, and taking a visit down to Tolpuddle in Dorset, where there is a small museum telling the story of farm workers who were deported as criminals for daring to organise themselves in an attempt to get better working conditions.
With the help of Saatchi & Saatchi at great public expense, Thatcher was able to demonise trade unionists and turn working people against each other. The knee-jerk reactions of some Trade Union leaders helped her in her task, however, many people were fighting for their jobs and their livelihoods, so little wonder if passions ran high at times. I'll never forget on a trip to Wales driving through shopping areas where shop after shop was boarded up. The impact on communities so affected by Thatcherism was devastating. Such images rarely appeared in the media, however, video of miners struggling with the police in London were shown over, and over, and over again. The same piece of footage would be regularly played to sway viewers in favour of Thatcher, and against the Unions.
Many people in Britain were (are) happy to reap the benefits achieved by the Unions over many decades, while condemning the very organisations that fought for those benefits.
BTW, I ran two businesses through the Thatcher’s years, and I've never seen any great benefit to small businesses through Thatcherism. The joke of that time was that Mrs T did a lot to create small business, i.e. you bought a large business and waited for it to shrink!
Small businesses do best when ordinary people have money in their pockets to spend.
The kind of capitalism Thatcherism supports is the kind where people with capital to invest sit on their backside and cream off a profit from the labour of others.
The current financial crisis caused by runaway Bankers was classic Thatcherism working at its uncontrolled and unfettered best,<sic> i.e. the free market reigns over all.
Rip-off Britain is a monument to Margaret Thatcher.
RIP Margaret Thatcher - "a woman whose policies made a small number of people very rich at the expense of the many, and to the abject misery of some folk".
No doubt she will be defended to the death by the Party faithful, and those in affiliated Right Wing organisations.
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kirkgas
Yes cause we all know labour SNP and lib dem MP's are all honest upright citizens haha
I'm not defending thatcher , I hate ALL POLITICIANS
I'm not defending thatcher , I hate ALL POLITICIANS
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petercj
"Politics is show-business for ugly people" - heard that on the radio the other day, thought it was quite appropriate.
The "ugly" bit being that they all blend their beliefs around Thatcherism, being the ugly side of human nature.
Party politics distracts from the bigger picture, i.e. we are in a mess, and there is no one on the political scene with the nouse to lead us out of it.
The disciples of Thatcherism just keep slashing and burning in the belief that what they have been taught will see them through.
The Lib-Dems sold out their integrity for a finger in the pie of power!
Ed Miliband has sat on the sidelines waiting for power to fall into his lap by default.
Farage is a parody of Mrs T in a suite, except she wasn't a one-trick pony like Farage. Ask him any question you like, and the answer will be framed in terms of the problems of Europe.
Protest votes used to go to the Lib Dems, then the National Front had a turn, now its UKIP and their: "blame it all on foreigners" rhetoric.
I can totally understand why the Scots and the Welsh want to get out of the claws of Westminster.
What will be left then will be the province of London, and the rest of England.
But then there's always BORIS! LOL FMO Boots!
The "ugly" bit being that they all blend their beliefs around Thatcherism, being the ugly side of human nature.
Party politics distracts from the bigger picture, i.e. we are in a mess, and there is no one on the political scene with the nouse to lead us out of it.
The disciples of Thatcherism just keep slashing and burning in the belief that what they have been taught will see them through.
The Lib-Dems sold out their integrity for a finger in the pie of power!
Ed Miliband has sat on the sidelines waiting for power to fall into his lap by default.
Farage is a parody of Mrs T in a suite, except she wasn't a one-trick pony like Farage. Ask him any question you like, and the answer will be framed in terms of the problems of Europe.
Protest votes used to go to the Lib Dems, then the National Front had a turn, now its UKIP and their: "blame it all on foreigners" rhetoric.
I can totally understand why the Scots and the Welsh want to get out of the claws of Westminster.
What will be left then will be the province of London, and the rest of England.
But then there's always BORIS! LOL FMO Boots!
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Guest123
Here's what the North are donating to dispose of her remains.
Northern Tool Stainless Steel Meat Mixer | eBay
Northern Tool Stainless Steel Meat Mixer | eBay
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petercj
Well that's finished me with sausages and anything made from mince - stone-the-crows, horse meat was bad enough!!! :-@
Extremely clever and quite funny but IMO not a good politician; not a bad one just not good enough to run the country.
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I think people also like boris as he seems to be passionate about his country and seems to care
Thatcher facts: http://blogs.channel4.com/factcheck/factcheck-the-thatcher-myths/13236
Enough for tonight me thinks.
Enough for tonight me thinks.
Not a cance: http://www.bbc.co.uk/sport/0/football/22078110
That mans a complete **** anyway . My old man worked for him for years
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