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Hi everyone,

For those of you who know my current situation (ACS qualified but inexperienced, although working weekends). Do you think it would be a good idea to become GSR?

If I give them a call are they likely to be understanding that I am still in the army so not actually doing gas jobs myself just yet or are they likely to tell me to register when I am doing my own work? I'm not aware of any disadvantages to registering now apart from paying out but not using it. I can live with this and at least I can do the odd job for friends and family.

I had a look at the website and I'd obviously be on a probation period where they would come and inspect my work. Do they want to see me working or would they go to look at my work after it's been done?

I'm going to call them tomorrow anyway and see what they say but just wanted a heads up on what is likely to happen so I am better prepared.

Thanks
 
If you have the qualifications and tick all the boxes Ash, Go for it! They can't refuse! Regards inspection, I guess that's down to their criteria? I'd imagine they'd like to check out the newly qualified or registered before those more established :)
 
They'd love your money ash, but IMHO id wait til your flying solo
 
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Thanks so far, how about if the guy I'm working for allowed me to do a couple of his gas jobs myself to be inspected, would that work?
 
Thanks so far, how about if the guy I'm working for allowed me to do a couple of his gas jobs myself to be inspected, would that work?

you dont have to of done any of your own jobs, you can just service a few appliances your own or friends etc
 
After you've registered with them, they will send out your documents and card. You will initally be put on probation, this means that every job you do, you have to record.

Within 3 months your local inspector will want to see prefreably 3 jobs that you have completed, you have to be present and arrange with your customers access. He will ask you to talk him through the jobs and ask you to carry out some tasks, e.g service fire/boiler, tightness test, gas rate etc. He will also ask you lots of questions.

Depending on how you perform and answer the questions, he will either take you off probation or leave you on probation and revist you at a later date.

The work has to be your own, registered through your own business, or you can service a friends fire or boiler as stated above.

Personally I would say don't get registered just yet, there is no point. You'll be a lot better off doing it when your on your own and more confident and habe got jobs on the go.
 
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Chomping at the bit eh? lol

Take ya time mate and learn the trade IMHO ... Many have set out on their own only to fall foul of lack of experience! If you have the opportunity to gain experience at someone else's expense then go for it! :)
 
After you've registered with them, they will send out your documents and card. You will initally be put on probation, this means that every job you do, you have to record.

Within 3 months your local inspector will want to see prefreably 3 jobs that you have completed, you have to be present and arrange with your customers access. He will ask you to talk him through the jobs and ask you to carry out some tasks, e.g service fire/boiler, tightness test, gas rate etc. He will also ask you lots of questions.

Depending on how you perform and answer the questions, he will either take you off probation or leave you on probation and revist you at a later date.

The work has to be your own, registered through your own business, or you can service a friends fire or boiler as stated above.

Personally I would say don't get registered just yet, there is no point. You'll be a lot better off doing it when your on your own and more confident and habe got jobs on the go.

Thanks for that, pretty much all I needed to know.
 
Chomping at the bit eh? lol

Take ya time mate and learn the trade IMHO ... Many have set out on their own only to fall foul of lack of experience! If you have the opportunity to gain experience at someone else's expense then go for it! :)

:iagree:
 
Chomping at the bit eh? lol

Take ya time mate and learn the trade IMHO ... Many have set out on their own only to fall foul of lack of experience! If you have the opportunity to gain experience at someone else's expense then go for it! :)

:) haha I can't help it. You are right, as well as others who have also said to wait until I am ready to go it alone. May have been getting a little bit ahead of myself! lol

If it was a matter of registering, then they inspect your work as and when I am able to get the jobs that would be ideal but If they need to inspect jobs within a certain time frame then that's pressure I can do without!
 
If you have the qualifications and tick all the boxes Ash, Go for it! They can't refuse! Regards inspection, I guess that's down to their criteria? I'd imagine they'd like to check out the newly qualified or registered before those more established :)

Perhaps wishful thinking on my part!

I'll still call them tomorrow to get it from the horses mouth but won't be doing anything stupid.
 
:) haha I can't help it. You are right, as well as others who have also said to wait until I am ready to go it alone. May have been getting a little bit ahead of myself! lol

If it was a matter of registering, then they inspect your work as and when I am able to get the jobs that would be ideal but If they need to inspect jobs within a certain time frame then that's pressure I can do without!

Compitence! If you are confident in how your working then you'll have no worries ... These guys aren't out to prove you wrong!! Just work safe!
 
Just spoke to gas safe. I explained my situation and they confirmed it was ok to do the work on friends and families appliances. 4 services and 1 install is required. That would be ok, obviously I need to keep my head in my books and keep revising what I have been taught as I would want to be able to answer any questions without hesitation.

No rush though, now I know what is required that's one more piece of research covered and one less thing to worry about. I'll continue learning on the weekends and go for it when I can do the jobs with confidence. £438 for first time registering, not exactly loose change but cheaper than I expected.
 
Hi Ash the thing to take into consideration is how optimstic you are that you can get yourself some gas work to justify the outlay, then also factor in how you would feel if someone ask you to say for instance fit a hob or boiler how confident would you be installing them on your own. My view would be maybe do another 3-4 months along side the bloke who you are helping out at the weekend and get your basic procedures nailed down cos if you are inspected after your 3 month probation and you get one wrong they could class you as not yet competant and put you on more probation.

I was on 3 month got my inspection asked to look at three propeties one was cooker/boiler the other just boiler asked me to do basic things gas rate, tightness test, show him i understood my analyser carry out visual inspection on two fires checked i had all relevnat paperwork service sheet warning sheet labels etc and after second property was happy and away he went
 
Hi Ash the thing to take into consideration is how optimstic you are that you can get yourself some gas work to justify the outlay, then also factor in how you would feel if someone ask you to say for instance fit a hob or boiler how confident would you be installing them on your own. My view would be maybe do another 3-4 months along side the bloke who you are helping out at the weekend and get your basic procedures nailed down cos if you are inspected after your 3 month probation and you get one wrong they could class you as not yet competant and put you on more probation.

I was on 3 month got my inspection asked to look at three propeties one was cooker/boiler the other just boiler asked me to do basic things gas rate, tightness test, show him i understood my analyser carry out visual inspection on two fires checked i had all relevnat paperwork service sheet warning sheet labels etc and after second property was happy and away he went

I think this is good advice, thanks. Thinking about it I am jumping the gun, I have so much to learn that I don't need the headache of looking for work at the same time. I'm going to take advantage of the position I'm in and learn as much as possible so that I'm competent and confident when doing my own jobs. 3-4 months would be better as I would be closer to leaving the army, going on my courses and it would all tie in together nicely.

If my inspections go as well as yours it'll be a good day! :)
 
The one advantage i had was i worked alongside a mate doing gas work for him under his number for a year prior to getting my own number but his was mainly install work
 
The one advantage i had was i worked alongside a mate doing gas work for him under his number for a year prior to getting my own number but his was mainly install work

Sounds ideal, i bet that was a big help. I'm hoping when I am up to speed and working well I'll get left to do some of the gas jobs myself.
 
Hi Ash,

Hope everything works out ok for you but to be honest this raises a few questions with the ACS system as a whole for me the current scheme has certain catergories of entry (for new entrants) as indicated below:

Category 1

Category 1 applicants are experienced gas fitting operatives from within or outside the United Kingdom who are

  • Seeking to renew expiring or expired certificates of gas safety competence, i.e. ACOP, ACS or Gas Services N/SVQs
  • Seeking assessment and certification to extend their range of gas work.
  • Foreign nationals seeking to obtain certificates of gas safety competence enabling them to meet UK gas work requirements. Operatives in this category must present evidence of their gas fitting qualifications and experience to the Assessment Centre.
Category 1 Application Conditions

Applicants applying for Initial or Reassessment must present to the Assessment Centre original appropriate certificates of gas safety competence. The applicant must declare whether they:

  • Are registered with the Gas Safe Register as a self employed operative or an employee of a Gas Safe Register employer

  • Are not recognised or covered by Gas Safe Register registration scheme.
Category 2

Applicants must provide evidence that they hold qualifications relevant to the area of gas work they are seeking to obtain certification in. These qualifications must have enabled competence to be demonstrated in the generic work activities associated with fossil fuelled appliances/equipment and/or pipework installation, including any of the following work activities, flueing or ventilation or the installation, maintenance or commissioning of such appliances. Applicants must present evidence to the Assessment Centre prior to the commencement of assessment. Examples of appropriate qualifications include:

  • Plumbing craft qualification or N/SVQ (oil and/or solid fuel options) suitable initially for domestic or commercial central, water-heating or pipework installation.
  • Pipefitter/welder craft qualification or N/SVQ suitable initially for commercial pipework, pipework commissioning and meter installation.
  • Heating and Ventilation craft qualification or N/SVQ suitable initially for commercial pipework and appliance installation.
  • Refrigeration Engineer/Fitter craft qualification or N/SVQ suitable initially for commercial appliance and pipework installation.
Additionally applicants in this category must provide written evidence to the Assessment Centre confirming that they have undertaken 'on the job' gas installation and/or maintenance training and have experience of gas work that has been carried out under the direct supervision of a competent operative(s) employed by a Gas Safe registered business that would support their application for the range of assessment to be undertaken.
This evidence must be in writing from the employer detailing precisely the areas of gas work previously carried out.
Applicants that do not satisfy the criteria of Categories 1 or 2 will be classified as a new entrant to the industry.

Category 2 Application Conditions


Applicants with relevant qualifications and experience must declare whether they have:

  • Had a gas competency certificate or qualification withdrawn in the past.
  • Been deemed incompetent in the past in matters of gas safety and if so provide details for review by the Certification Body. (The Certification Body will make a decision about the application after a full review of the circumstances and keep a record of the findings and the decision for six years.)
Category 3

Category 3 applicants are new entrants to the gas industry. As such, they are without a relevant related qualification and/or experience, entering employment for the first time or changing career direction.

Category 3 Application Conditions


An applicant in this category will not be able to provide acceptable evidence of relevant qualifications and gas work experience. Therefore the application is not acceptable.
Individuals in this category should be advised to seek training and experience which will result in attainment of National/Scottish Vocational Qualification (N/SVQ) in Gas Services, Installation and Maintenance at Level 2 or 3 to obtain employment with a Gas Safe registered business who are willing to provide an auditable extended period of company 'in house' gas training programme and organisational support to the operative prior to taking ACS assessment. The duration and content of the training programme will be determined by the scope of gas work to be undertaken. Evidence in the form of a portfolio of the completion of such a training programme must be presented to the Assessment Centre prior to the operative taking assessments.
Alternatively an N/SVQ within the Mechanical Engineering Sector with related on the job gas training and experience in the intended areas of gas work to be carried out will also support a future application.

These guidelines are rarely followed and many centres flout the rules to get "bum's on seats", I am by no means indicating that you would not be able to carry out work safely or of a good quailty but I see many new entrants into the gas industry who simply do not have the experience to deal with difficult situations and get themselves into hot water (no pun intended) remember the ACS scheme is a "minimum" standard required to be registered you should also seek manufacturers training courses and vitally work experiance with a time served engineer to fill in the gaps in your knowledge.

At the end of the day as already said you need to feel confident you can carry out the work safely, don't bluff it ask for help or walk away is the best advise I can give.

Good luck and be safe, John'o
 
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Sounds ideal, i bet that was a big help. I'm hoping when I am up to speed and working well I'll get left to do some of the gas jobs myself.

Was indeed helpfull so when i came to do my own stuff no worries what so ever, you"ll get there Ash
 
Ash
Will your resettlement fund not pay your registration next year when you have more experience
 
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