Side Entry Ball Valves (2 of 2)

[ShaunCorbs]

Might have to resort to a plastic part 2.

was thinking that can you get a decent one because the ones ive seen are crud but then my thinking is that can still back up water level will have to be a bit higher but could still happen

 

[jaydebruyne]

the position of where the water exits the valve...

 

[solutions]

was thinking that can you get a decent one because the ones ive seen are crud but then my thinking is that can still back up water level will have to be a bit higher but could still happen

Even if they have a piped overflow set too high the water level would normally spill over the syphon in to the pan before it reached the outlet on a part 2.

 

[Old Account]

I am so happy we do not have such issues in Germany we hardly have tanks in the loft ... Gravity dies out there ... Most of the time we have geberit frames for toilets ...

 

[jaydebruyne]

Alright, talked enough ...

For me is clear now I will use part 2 including a double check valve instead isolation valve and I am on the safe side. That's all I wanted to know cheers all for the massive help

You don't need a dcv if using a part 2

 

[Old Account]

Alright so if I use pt2 then it's already build in ?

 

[jaydebruyne]

whats the difference other than the looks if they both conform to bs1212

The position of where the water exits the valve

 

[ShaunCorbs]

Even if they have a piped overflow set too high the water level would normally spill over the syphon in to the pan before it reached the outlet on a part 2.

it does now with a part 1 thats what i couldn't understand

 

[Old Account]

What will happen in the to me if I use a wrong float valve ?

 

[ShaunCorbs]

The position of where the water exits the valve

so they could both back if the water goes high enough

 

[solutions]

I am so happy we do not have such issues in Germany we hardly have tanks in the loft ... Gravity dies out there ... Most of the time we have geberit frames for toilets ...

Yes and surface mounted issolators for almost everything and the little magnetic tile panels in the side of the bath to hide the floor gulley, loads of bathrooms I have been to in germany have the washing machine in them too. You do lots of things differently many of them better by design.

 

[jaydebruyne]

Alright so if I use pt2 then it's already build in ?

No, because the water exits above the valve, there is no chance of water reaching it and causing backflow if the valve fails..

 

[solutions]

it does now with a part 1 thats what i couldn't understand

Then just a case of the regs say so. Even if there is no potential contamination risk present.

 

[Old Account]

No, because the water exits above the valve, there is no chance of water reaching it and causing backflow if the valve fails..

True now I got it today a bit thick

 

[ShaunCorbs]

Then just a case of the regs say so. Even if there is no potential contamination risk present.

thnx

 

[ShaunCorbs]

thnx guys looks like ive got the job do doing them

 

[Old Account]

Yes and surface mounted issolators for almost everything and the little magnetic tile panels in the side of the bath to hide the floor gulley, loads of bathrooms I have been to in germany have the washing machine in them too. You do lots of things differently many of them better by design.

Yeah that's true ... That's why I struggle sometimes with British standards. Yes washing machine is most of the time in the bathroom too ... Also we have got 220v in bathrooms not 16v for shaving

 

[solutions]

What will happen in the to me if I use a wrong float valve ?

Absolutely nothing. But you will know its not right and as a German you know there is nothing worse.

 

[Old Account]

Absolutely nothing. But you will know its not right and as a German you know there is nothing worse.

Hahha ... Yeah it does my headache if I know I'm doing wrong

 

[plumben]

Alright, talked enough ...

For me is clear now I will use part 2 including a double check valve instead isolation valve and I am on the safe side. That's all I wanted to know cheers all for the massive help

I'm not sure if you missed out or worded this wrong but you should always use a service valve \ isolation valve
Before any appliance\tap\cwsc... then any check valves or other valves required

As every outlet should have the ability to be independently isolated although not always possible or practical

 

[Best]

Another reason for having to use part 2 is often you have to bend the brass arm in order to set the water level correctly and this, as far as regs go, is not acceptable as it weakens the arm which could become brittle and break...

That's one reason I heard, - yet when you think about it, to replace a nice solid all brass part 1 valve with a part 2 brass valve will mean you have a diaphragm washer in it that will fail in a fairly short time, plus a plastic pin that can jam, plus an awful silly water outlet made of plastic
that can crack or snap off and shoot high pressure water straight up when valve opens. Bad job in a toilet cistern or worse in any tank with no lid.
Not an improvement IMO. An overflow on a cwt can & should be fitted at same level or just a tad below ballvalve to prevent water passing the ballvalve through threads or rising above it.
These modern ideas are just stupid & probably often invented from Europe.

 

[jaydebruyne]

I'm not sure if you missed out or worded this wrong but you should always use a service valve \ isolation valve
Before any appliance\tap\cwsc... then any check valves or other valves required

As every outlet should have the ability to be independently isolated although not always possible or practical

If only this was the case.. But worse still when people use the all plastic pushfit valves and the plastic slotted bit you turn sheers and renders it unusable.. *grunt* I hate them!

 

[joni os]

A tank is a receptacle for storing water and an air gap is what it says.
Neither know if their purpose is to flush a WC , feed a DHW cylinder or act as F&E.
Can anyone explain why a ball valve deemed safe for the latter two is unsafe on a WC cistern.
As for bending the arm, I have yet to break one but often ripple a copper tube. If this logic continues the commercial interests that sell us fittings will persuade the regulators that bending tube should be banned.

 

[Ray Stafford]

the commercial interests that sell us fittings will persuade the regulators that bending tube should be banned.

You shouldn't put ideas into my head!

 

[joni os]

"You shouldn't put ideas into my head".
And the sad thing is Ray if you suggested it some committee would approve it.