This 2025 ban on gas boilers in new builds.....

[hammers4spanner]

A lot of government policy is dis jointed...the fracking thing
worked well in USA but we dont need it...the uk nat gas and oil reserves in the North Sea area have just been almost tripled in their life expectancy this last week. Cuadrilla the fracking outfit are really looking for an excuse to back out in Lancashire to satisfy their hungry investors ..in fact they will be happy to stopped

Fraking is big in the Permian basin in USA, massive oil/gas find in Surrey and IoW . So cant see gas going nowhere for few years yet. Besides they said this gas to be fazed out by 2016 on new build lol

 

[Sharp Point]

yes its only going to be a mixture produced in manchester at the start ..at a Peel Ports Unit .100%
h2 has no,place in domestic homes. centralheatking

Completely agree, hydrogen is far to dangerous as a 100% alternative. Even at a lesser mixture, the carbon footprint will be to high to generate on a massive scale. As an island the U.K. is generating more and more windborne electrickery.

 

[Sharp Point]

The climate change emergency is gaining momentum now and fossil fuel alternatives will start to emerge sooner rather than later

And I’m all for it

 

[townfanjon]

The Hindenburg , nuff said

 

[hammers4spanner]

Tap into methane plenty of plumbs I know are full of sh*t power the country for a millennium

 

[Sharp Point]

I give it 5 years and building regs will require nigh on passiv haus standards of build too

 

[Rob Foster]

I give it 5 years and building regs will require nigh on passiv haus standards of build too

you are correct sealed homes are def the way fwds chking

 

[townfanjon]

I give it 5 years and building regs will require nigh on passiv haus standards of build too

English builders pal , get a grip

 

[Sharp Point]

English builders pal , get a grip

I admit they won’t get the silicone gum out every five minutes, but they’ll no alternative to install 300mm of Kingspan in walls/ floors and roof.

 

[Sharp Point]

There you go.... a job creating moment

‘ master Kingspan cutter’

 

[Sharp Point]

 

[Last Plumber]

Heat pumps will be the future of heating.

Well they have been around since the 1950's so it's about time they had a crack of the whip before we leave the EU in 2025.

 

[hammers4spanner]

Well they have been around since the 1950's so it's about time they had a crack of the whip before we leave the EU in 2025.

2025 that quick ??

 

[Rob Foster]

Completely agree, hydrogen is far to dangerous as a 100% alternative. Even at a lesser mixture, the carbon footprint will be to high to generate on a massive scale. As an island the U.K. is generating more and more windborne electrickery.

The concept is to use spare renewable energy to generate hydrogen and store it.against times when renewables cannot deliver ..this is better than building loads of big batteries or another electric mountain in wales or scotland ..centralheatking

 

[Sharp Point]

Is there such thing as ‘spare’ energy, if so why do we import so much from the French etc?

 

[snowhead]

Is there such thing as ‘spare’ energy, if so why do we import so much from the French etc?

It's only spare because of no demand for it at the time, like 2am or in the middle of T.V soaps between adverts

 

[Welder]

Hmm. Let's look at some facts, not that they would influence govt in any way shape or form...

The 'problem' is pollution. The 'answer' is less pollution.

Less pollution can only be achieved by two means:
- a fuel that pollutes less
- consume less

Currently, every single target could be achieved by doing one single thing - insulate UK homes. At present, UK homes are more like collendars than buckets. If we took the cost to govt of changing the supply infrastructure and used it to pay for mandatory home insulation, and vitally checked performance using thermal imaging of every one, then there would be no need to do anything else. Well, not for a long time.

What would then also happen is that boiler sizes would plummet meaning that we could move to lower temp distribution and into proper condensing mode increasing effeciency even further.

If we then added the decent cooled PV panels (this makes PV output increase hugely and gives a great by product of preheating DHW) we would then drop consumption even lower.

It's not difficult, it doesn't need new tech and could be achieved in just 5-6 years. All it needs is joined up thinking. We're fecked then!!!

 

[Sharp Point]

Hmm. Let's look at some facts, not that they would influence govt in any way shape or form...

The 'problem' is pollution. The 'answer' is less pollution.

Less pollution can only be achieved by two means:
- a fuel that pollutes less
- consume less

Currently, every single target could be achieved by doing one single thing - insulate UK homes. At present, UK homes are more like collendars than buckets. If we took the cost to govt of changing the supply infrastructure and used it to pay for mandatory home insulation, and vitally checked performance using thermal imaging of every one, then there would be no need to do anything else. Well, not for a long time.

What would then also happen is that boiler sizes would plummet meaning that we could move to lower temp distribution and into proper condensing mode increasing effeciency even further.

If we then added the decent cooled PV panels (this makes PV output increase hugely and gives a great by product of preheating DHW) we would then drop consumption even lower.

It's not difficult, it doesn't need new tech and could be achieved in just 5-6 years. All it needs is joined up thinking. We're fecked then!!!

Being green doesn’t bode well with the gas/ oil giants though.
As much as it’s a moot subject, the future for the climate is atomic power... either fission or fusion. But fusion is a long long way off and hopefully be our saviour

 

[Last Plumber]

If CO2 and H2O were 'pollutants' then I would understand all the fuss. The fact is, they are the opposite of that, they are key ingredients for all life on the planet.

 

[64degrees]

Somethings gonna change - the government will always go for the individuals rather than big businesses. Over the years have fitted chillers, commercial boilers, air source heat pumps etc They all need pipework and servicing. There’s always change in our industry, keeps it interesting !

 

[Rob Foster]

Hmm. Let's look at some facts, not that they would influence govt in any way shape or form...

The 'problem' is pollution. The 'answer' is less pollution.

Less pollution can only be achieved by two means:
- a fuel that pollutes less
- consume less

Currently, every single target could be achieved by doing one single thing - insulate UK homes. At present, UK homes are more like collendars than buckets. If we took the cost to govt of changing the supply infrastructure and used it to pay for mandatory home insulation, and vitally checked performance using thermal imaging of every one, then there would be no need to do anything else. Well, not for a long time.

What would then also happen is that boiler sizes would plummet meaning that we could move to lower temp distribution and into proper condensing mode increasing effeciency even further.

If we then added the decent cooled PV panels (this makes PV output increase hugely and gives a great by product of preheating DHW) we would then drop consumption even lower.

It's not difficult, it doesn't need new tech and could be achieved in just 5-6 years. All it needs is joined up thinking. We're fecked then!!!

The most important aspect of any coherent energy policy is a realistic level playing field devoid of selective taxation and
targeted subsidy ...its nuts that I subsidise my neighbours panels etc
Rob Foster

 

[Welder]

The most important aspect of any coherent energy policy is a realistic level playing field devoid of selective taxation and
targeted subsidy ...its nuts that I subsidise my neighbours panels etc
Rob Foster

I entirely agree that we need a coherent policy. However, for me this is simply a 'journey'. NO one sets off not knowing where they are going! THE most important information we can have is a recognised & realistic destination. Once we have that then we can decide upon a method of transport.

Without that, then it is pointless subsidising anything.

 

[SimonG]

Just can't understand how the UK will combat global warming, or cyclical warming (albeit accelerated by humanity) when you have the usa, China, India etc pumping out billions and billions of tons of co2.

 

[Welder]

Just can't understand how the UK will combat global warming, or cyclical warming (albeit accelerated by humanity) when you have the usa, China, India etc pumping out billions and billions of tons of co2.

China have already started reducing their pollution - although no one reports it. They aim to be THE least polluting industrial nation on the planet. They are not messing around either. The measures put in place will close many businesses OR everything WE buy, as its all made there, will very soon go up considerably in price.

Unlike here, no business in China will be given a choice, or be able to opt out, or do BS things like carbon offset. When they do somethng they do it properly not just fanny about around the edges.

 

[SimonG]

China have already started reducing their pollution - although no one reports it. They aim to be THE least polluting industrial nation on the planet. They are not messing around either. The measures put in place will close many businesses OR everything WE buy, as its all made there, will very soon go up considerably in price.

Unlike here, no business in China will be given a choice, or be able to opt out, or do BS things like carbon offset. When they do somethng they do it properly not just fanny about around the edges.

Well played China.