To cross bond or not?

[Darryn Almeida]

I've had a new boiler installed in one of my buy to lets and the tenant called up after a few months to say they were getting a slight shock through an adjacent tap. My electrician said that this was due to the boiler not being earthed/cross bonded. The guy who installed the boiler said this wasn't a legal requirement and doesn't make a difference and couldn't be the cause. The electrician insists that if copper pipes are used, this is a requirement. I'm keen to know who's right. Any thoughts?

 

[Scott_D]

Not required any more as far as I know
Gas should be earthed at the meter and mains cold at the stop tap

 

[JCplumb]

A sparky told me that cross bonding isn't needed if the consumer unit is at least 17th edition. Anything older than that and you still need to cross bond.

 

[Tea-Break]

I’m not an electrician, but if the system is a PME as most are. Then all exposed metallic pipes will need connecting to the CPC.
A simply resistance test with a multi-meter will prove it.

 

[Burger]

I've had a new boiler installed in one of my buy to lets and the tenant called up after a few months to say they were getting a slight shock through an adjacent tap. My electrician said that this was due to the boiler not being earthed/cross bonded. The guy who installed the boiler said this wasn't a legal requirement and doesn't make a difference and couldn't be the cause. The electrician insists that if copper pipes are used, this is a requirement. I'm keen to know who's right. Any thoughts?

Any ideas on how many rcds on consumer unit? Should have x2 if 17th edition. As JC plumb stated, earlier still requires cross bonding etc.

Water and gas should be main equipotential earth bonded regardless of wiring edition.

 

[Chuck]

I'm keen to know who's right. Any thoughts?

There is clearly *an* earthing/wiring problem with the property. I suspect you'll find there is a lack of earth continuity somewhere. If so, cross-bonding the boiler may mask the problem but won't fix the root cause.

I think you want someone with a broader-remit than than just the boiler. My vote is that you should get the electrician to check the earthing of the entire dwelling starting at the consumer unit.

 

[Darryn Almeida]

Thanks all. The electrical box was replaced at the same time as the boiler so will be a current edition. Sounds like it isn't a boiler related issue after all and checking the earthing of the whole house is the way forward

 

[Burger]

Judging by this I have found may still not be current edition, but does state that earth bonding arrangements are adequate. Did you receive an electrical condition report and were you issued a certificate?

 

[Rob Foster]

If your tennant is reporting an electrical shock issue, then if it was one of my properties I would be round there directly stuff which edition the consumer unit is Rob Foster
aka centralheatking

 

[Burger]

If your tennant is reporting an electrical shock issue, then if it was one of my properties I would be round there directly stuff which edition the consumer unit is Rob Foster
aka centralheatking

True. Sometimes you can get too engrossed in legislation and miss the whole point

 

[Murdoch]

I’m not an electrician, but if the system is a PME as most are. Then all exposed metallic pipes will need connecting to the CPC.
A simply resistance test with a multi-meter will prove it.

Not strictly true.

Get the spark who changed the CU back to check what's going on

 

[Darryn Almeida]

The objective of this post was to get information on plumbing requirements and not advice on how best to not kill tenants which I've got under wraps but thanks, keyboard warriors.

Cross bonding (which was the electrician's recommended course of action) has already sorted out the issue. I've raised the question here to check if that's enough since I had a conflicting opinion from the plumber as mentioned. I have an answer to this now so thanks to the people who assisted and stayed on point!

 

[rpm]

See yer next time

 

[Harvest Fields]

The objective of this post was to get information on plumbing requirements and not advice on how best to not kill tenants which I've got under wraps but thanks, keyboard warriors.

Cross bonding (which was the electrician's recommended course of action) has already sorted out the issue. I've raised the question here to check if that's enough since I had a conflicting opinion from the plumber as mentioned. I have an answer to this now so thanks to the people who assisted and stayed on point!

So the post is misleading and is false and has no relevance.

 

[Darryn Almeida]

So the post is misleading and is false and has no relevance.

You have much time on your hands.

 

[Harvest Fields]

You have much time on your hands.

Not really. Just having lunch after a busy morning. How about you?

 

[rpm]

Not really. Just having lunch after a busy morning. How about you?

He's a landlord so what do you think?

Sparkies forum would of torn him to threads.

 

[Harvest Fields]

He's a landlord so what do you think?

Sparkies forum would of torn him to threads.

Didn’t want to be rude and ruin my day mate. It has been quite nice so far even though it’s been busy. This thread just seems like he the OP is after someone to moan about and blame.

 

[Darryn Almeida]

He's a landlord so what do you think?

Sparkies forum would of torn him to threads.

For asking questions

Didn’t want to be rude and ruin my day mate. It has been quite nice so far even though it’s been busy. This thread just seems like he the OP is after someone to moan about and blame.

If you don't want to be rude, be helpful like some of the good guys on here. Try it. It will change your life, I promise.

 

[Darryn Almeida]

He's a landlord so what do you think?

Sparkies forum would of torn him to threads.

Would of? My English teacher would have torn you to threads. See?

 

[Harvest Fields]

For asking questions


If you don't want to be rude, be helpful like some of the good guys on here. Try it. It will change your life, I promise.

But you have asked a question then stated in a later post it has already been fixed. So why bother posting and wasting everyone’s time?

 

[rpm]

Would of? My English teacher would have torn you to threads. See?

See?
That is proper English is it?

 

[Darryn Almeida]

But you have asked a question then stated in a later post it has already been fixed. So why bother posting and wasting everyone’s time?

Because I had.a.conflicting.opinion. As someone suggested earlier in the thread, cross bonding may simply be a bandaid and the real issue remains, which is what I wanted clarity on. I now know that I need my electrician to go back and do an earthing check across the house even though he's told me cross bonding was all that was needed. This is pretty clear if you went through the whole thread instead of taking off on someone while you eat your sandwich.

 

[Darryn Almeida]

See?
That is proper English is it?

It is; abbrevation for common parlance. Let's move on to punctuation. That is proper English, is it? See?

 

[Harvest Fields]

You accused the people that are trying to help you of instructing you on how not to kill tenants. You then call them keyboard warriors.
You insulted them first when they wanted to help you and give you advice for a job that you then said had been fixed. You said you are happy with your answers so I would recommend that you leave it there.