Under floor heating-pricing

[Ted808]

Is £1700 too little for UFH ? Labour only, cust is supplying materials, builder is preparing floor and screeding over it afterwards... I'm laying pipe-overlay / LoPro max system... Area approx is F Room 8x3.5m plus hallway 5x1.5m and kitchen 4x 5m, it's mostly open plan apart from the hall.
I'm just about getting to grips with estimating with all the different different jobs and now I get this!
:001_9898: WILL the plumbing GOD ever give me a break? I spend so much time researching, trying to find out how much stuff costs, where I can get it and how long i will take to install it...and then i get a curve ball. But on wards.....
I estimate it'll be 3/4 days if I include testing and setting up the manifold. I have done this work before, working for someone else, so never got involved in the pricing side!! I'm in LONDON :blush5:

Thanks for any advice in advance

 

[Rybo_1]

Surely testing and setting up the manifold is normal practice anyway? And even with that it's only half a day if that combined. Best thing to do is, if you think it will take 4 days. Calculate how much you would realistically want a day and multiply by 4 and then add maybe 20-30% as insurance.

 

[Ermintrude]

Why on earth not screed the pipes in?

 

[EPH]

Is it just the underfloor or is that involving running flow and return pipe work to the manifold and wiring etc?

I wouldn't expect just laying the pipe and filling to take longer than a day. If you can get £1700 for that, I'll do your next one for £1000 and you an sit at home and make an easy £700.

 

[Ted808]

Is it just the underfloor or is that involving running flow and return pipe work to the manifold and wiring etc?/QUOTE]

Running a new flow and return, to boiler and manifold but not the wiring- cust has his own sparky.
So you think it's too much then?

 

[Ted808]

Why on earth not screed the pipes in?

They are being screed, but not by me... builder doing this bit.

 

[Ted808]

Surely testing and setting up the manifold is normal practice anyway? And even with that it's only half a day if that combined. Best thing to do is, if you think it will take 4 days. Calculate how much you would realistically want a day and multiply by 4 and then add maybe 20-30% as insurance.

Of course it includes testing and setting up manifold, it's just that i wasn't sure how long to estimate for everything. It's different when there's a site manger to organize things, that's all.

 

[Ted808]

Cheers guys for all the advice and pointers...:star::star::star::star::star:

 

[EPH]

Is it just the underfloor or is that involving running flow and return pipe work to the manifold and wiring etc?/QUOTE]

Running a new flow and return, to boiler and manifold but not the wiring- cust has his own sparky.
So you think it's too much then?

Depends on the pipe run really to the boiler.

The underfloor side of things is a days work either on your own with the right equipment or with a mate to help with laying the pipe. No idea on London prices, my offer still stands ;-)

 

[Rybo_1]

I'm just outside London and I personally
think that would take 3 days max. Although I do have the pipe wheel and clipper so that speeds things up! I personally would go in at around £900. £1700 sounds more like supply and fit to me

 

[Ermintrude]

25/m2

 

[Rybo_1]

Too much?

 

[Ermintrude]

1300 is acceptable for 55m2. Did 100m2 other day.

 

[newcastle phill]

Wow 1000 square metres. ..

Thats huge lol

 

[Ermintrude]

A kitchen in high generals wood .

 

[newcastle phill]

Just tickled me when I saw the expression of size.

My eldest daughter nearly knuckle dustered me before her 6th form exams lol

Had an in depth discussion of 10 square metre versus 10 metre square.

Shes of the modern generation that "they are both the same thing" lol


She creased me up

 

[Ermintrude]

10m by 10m is 100m2. m2 denotes m * m or m^2

 

[newcastle phill]

Really lol

 

[newcastle phill]

Say it...go on...ermy

Metres square or square metres

 

[snoopy8888]

[h=3]Meters Squared vs. Square Meters[/h]Math Forum - Ask Dr. Math

 

[Ermintrude]

Square meters .

Not that as an engineer or simple plumber but simply some one who paid attention in his physics lessons

http://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Area

 

[Worcester]

Just the u/floor (so excludes primaries to the manifold) I can sub it out and get it designed, supplied and installed including screeds, manifolds, tested, controls etc etc for around £20 / m2 day in day out, and we are not in a particularly competitive location.

So that would be £1100 all in for your job....

We have to wire and configure the controls, and plumb the primary feeds to the mainfolds.

 

[mutley racers]

Why on earth not screed the pipes in?

Do you mix up a dry mix or do you use wet. How easy is it to do as I have a conservatory and a kitchen area to do

 

[mutley racers]

25/m2

Is this just labour to install pipes and not including barrier, insulation, screeding?

 

[mutley racers]

Oh and what manifolds, blending valves, controls are guys using