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i think a customers ability to pay should be a factor when work is decided upon. If you had an old dear who's boiler went down in the middle of winter and only had a very limited budget then i would fit what she can afford.
Of course AW, we all would & that is what they are saying by allowing use that professional judgement.
On the other hand would you agree to a combi swap for a Land lord who told you they did not want to pay the extra couple of £'s for a room thermostat & a couple of TRV's, to allow there tenants to control the temperature in the flat & thus say a few bob on the running costs? as was the case in my son's rented place !!!
 
The actual building regulations are hard to come by. The approved documents (L in this case) we refer to is not actually regulation, more so guidance on compliance with the regulation. If you read the approved document, the only parts that are extract from the regulation are highlighted in green.


The domestic heating compliance guide was compiled to further confuse the likes of me and you. From what I can tell, it it a guide to complying with approved document L, which in itself is a guide for complying with the building regulations..

Anyway, the building regulations state:

L1. Reasonable provision shall be provided for the conservation of fuel and power within buildings by:

(a) Limiting heat gain losses -
(i)through thermal elements and other parts of the building fabric
(ii)from pipes, ducts and vessels, used for space heating, space cooling and hot water services

(b) providing fixed buildings with -
(i) are energy efficient
(ii) have effective controls
(iii) are commissioned by testing and adjusting as necessary to ensure they use no more fuel and power than is reasonable in the circumstances.

(c) providing with the owner sufficient information about the building, the fixed building services and their maintenance requirements so that the building can be operated in such a way as to use no more fuel and power than is reasonable in the circumstances.

Approved Document L has guidance for compliance with the building regulations as follows:

Whenever a fixed building service is extended or provided, reasonable provision would be demonstrated by following the guidance as set out in the 'Domestic Building Services Compliance Guide'

The Domestic Building Services Compliance Guide issues the following guidance on complying with the approved document L (which is in itself a guide to compliance of the building regulations)

Recommended minimum standards for controls of gas-fired wet central heating systems

1.0 Boiler Interlock
(a) Boiler based systems should have a boiler control interlock in which controls are wired so that when there is no demand for either space heating or hot water, the boiler and pump are switched off.
9b) The use of thermostatic radiator valves (TRVs) alone do not provide interlock.

5.0 Temperature control of space heating
a) Separate temperature control of zones within the dwelling should be provided using;
(i) room thermostats or programmable room thermostats in all zones and
(ii) individual radiator controls such as thermostatic radiator valves (TRVs) on all radiators other than the reference rooms (with a thermostat) and bathrooms*

*When an individual system component - such as a boiler or room thermostat - is being replaced, it is not necessary to upgrade the whole system. However, while not essential for compliance with building regulations, in the case of a boiler replacement, because the system has to be drained down, it would be good practise to install thermostatic radiator valves(or equivalent) on all radiators other than the room with the main thermostat, provided the radiators are suitable and the pipework does not need to be altered.

As usual, it leaves a lot open to interpretation. So what is it, recommendation, best practice, regulation? In the extremely unlikely event of being held up in court on a breach of regulation, would you be happy to defend yourself over why you chose not not follow the guidance to comply with building regulation?

Interested to hear other peoples views on it all, personally I fit what is recommended in order to comply with building reg's. I'm also happy to walk away from a job if the price of a room stat is enough to put someone off. I really see no reason these days with the R.F stuff available.
 
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Thanks for all the answers.

Outcome this will really ensure you do install in compliance with the regs: (thanks for the link to the other thread Chris)
[DLMURL="http://www.findlaw.co.uk/law/property/building_regulations/9026.html"]How the Building Regulations are enforced and your right to appeal - Property...[/DLMURL]

ALL our contracts state that we will install in accordance with the Building Regs (they have to, else our clients can't claim the RHI), and we issue / raise the Building regs certificate through our certifying body for EVERY job.

How many others issue a Building Regs Certificate after they have replaced a boiler?
 
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The actual building regulations are hard to come by. The approved documents (L in this case) we refer to is not actually regulation, more so guidance on compliance with the regulation. If you read the approved document, the only parts that are extract from the regulation are highlighted in green.

YES this is true.
But if you comply with the guidance documents then you are safe.
If you deviate and do your own thing it will be up to you that you did NOT break the law - if someone questions you.

Eg Building Control were not happy we put an outside durgo - which is against building regs (or at least it was at the time, I don't know if it has changed).
WE were able to show the documentation that proved this model was suitable for outside use with insulation.
Otherwise we would have had to change it OR face prosecution.
 
Not quite sure how to read that post Tara ! In one aspect you are suggesting following the guidance, yet you have then said that you have complied with building regulation by choosing an alternative to the guidance given, maybe I am reading it wrong so apologise in advance if that's the case.

from my experience, often the building control inspectors are just as confused as we are when it comes to requirements vs recommendations. As you have said, the easiest solution is to adopt the advise in the guidance notes or similar, but when it comes to zoning for example I would have to argue that in many cases it is not practical to do so. The 150m2 rule seemed to make far more sense.

In the case of an average 2-3 bed house with a new system being installed, I wouldn't class multi zoning as 'reasonable in the circumstances' and would argue that it is unlikely to have any real gain considering the additional cost in installation.

i have heard that the zoning requirements are due to be overhauled in the next amendment to L1B.
 
The chances of a prosecution be a local authority for a minor breach of building regulations are pretty slim !
Most local authorities are skint ! Maybe they should have looked at their pay and bonus also pensions before it got to this point ?
I worked on a large house where we installed a wooden panelled ceiling the building inspector said he wanted it fire proofed but could not force the issue !
Spoke to the client who thought it a good idea so was carried out with a specialist paint that I researced to find as mrs T said we also submitted manufacturers data sheet and building control was happy .
They cannot possibly keep up with innovations or new products just as a tradesman cannot .
You learn every day and the day you do not want to learn or listen is the day you should pack up your kit for good !
 
You are supposed to keep up it's called professional development. Well that's what I heard ? I've got 26 parkray coke back boilers to install on a one piper before Xmas..... One of the lads reckons that you can get a 'gas Backboiler'??? Sounds a bit too futuristic if you ask me. What next upstairs toilets?
 
Of course AW, we all would & that is what they are saying by allowing use that professional judgement.
On the other hand would you agree to a combi swap for a Land lord who told you they did not want to pay the extra couple of £'s for a room thermostat & a couple of TRV's, to allow there tenants to control the temperature in the flat & thus say a few bob on the running costs? as was the case in my son's rented place !!!

tbh i would not give the landlord the option, just fit a stat and include it in the price even if your charge just covers costs.
 
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