Who is right ?

[bobpape]

How come the threat of breaking the law prevails as the main point in the debate,
Are we saying that gas safe operatives are a section of society that do not break the law,

They never commit a driving offence or any of the thousands of other
criminal offences on the current UK statute books,

One chap recently got fined £300.00 and made a criminal for leaving his dustbin lid 3 inches open,

Very soon every one will be a criminal,

This government has introduced over 3000 new laws, but not to worry
gas fitters wont break any of them, yeah right,


Any way after completing an installation what is there to stop an "unlicenced"
plumber from employing a licenced gas fitter to conduct a Landlords Safety Check,

 

[newbie1]

nothing to stop them at all if a rgi wants to risk it having his reg taken away thats a choice they make but should a problem occur its him that will be prosecuted

 

[Puddle]

Any way after completing an installation what is there to stop an "unlicenced"
plumber from employing a licenced gas fitter to conduct a Landlords Safety Check,

From the unregistered plumbers side,this could turn out to be a big problem if found out and with todays paper trail,there is a good chance he will
There is no problem with the above for reg gas plumbers , can carry out a landlord inspection on any installation new or old and all may find all be ok apart from the paper trail
However there is a problem with a unregistered plumber,baker or candle stick maker employing a registered gas plumber to register a boiler,hob or fire and trying to get them to fill in ther appliance log books for items they have not fitted
I have done landlord checks on new systems for estate agents however if no paperwork with appliances or not filled in ,I make a note on inspection form and recommend registration of appliances be checked,if I have cause to believe or know appliances have been installed by a non registered person,I would cap off supply and label id and report
And now we know gas safe are following up reports,more and more reg plumbers will start to report suspected unregistered works

 

[flat pack]

so what happens if a house goes to auction with new new boiler hobb oven
fire all with no history
the new owner does what,

 

[Puddle]

Well if house goes to auction, it would be auctioned with no papers and sell for less,which is probably why it is being auctioned and not on the general market, its not just gas works, its new electrical works, new windows, building planning permition ect paper trail
if someone paying cash or has the finance secured on other items, it is up to him what he wants to do, if he is saving alot he may decide to buy and take the risk
Some people may think it’s all working ok, no problem but that’s because they think they can get away with it, if I said to them would you buy a house at auction with an extension just built with no planning permition, they would probably say no,other paperwork is just as important
The main control comes from the establishment, it always has, not the governing body, if people can or think they can get away with it they will, human nature
But what is happening is mortgage companies will not lead against properties without the correct paperwork,Loan companies will not give a loan against works if not carried out by correct people, insurance companies will not insure or if they do will not pay out without correct paperwork provided, councils and now alot of estate agents will not rent out without all correct paperwork ect
Thus the market is getting smaller for unregistered people and properties, in ten years time, it will be unthinkable not being registered at what you do and it is the private sector who will enforce it,due to finacial gain,by demanding the correct paperwork at the beginning and end of works, ,not the governing body, they will just run the system and prosecute the few that slip through

 

[flat pack]

or what can happen is some one will buy at auction then phone rgi
and get it sign off