Worcester or valliant

[ih1]

Have to buy a new boiler in the next few day. Wonderiing what use think is the better option Worcester greenstar 38 cdi or vailliant 837 both working round about the same price

many thanks ian

 

[solutions]

Vaillant 837 no question. Dont even consider the worcester bosch.

 

[wattsie1987]

I'd say vaillant easier to work on and install logical construction and better customer service IMO.

 

[Riley]

Agreed, Vaillant, your engineer will thank you!

 

[IDCHAPPY]

They are both crap, fit a ferolli.....



The above statement may not be true

 

[Riley]

The Ferroli is a "different" option with many hidden features

 

[Ray Stafford]

They are both excellent boilers, and its unlikely you will be sorry you bought either of them. Ignore all the engineers talking about how easy/hard they are to work on - thats not your problem!


Neither are cheap, so just a suggestion - having spent a lot of money on a good boiler, don't skimp on the installation side.

To be honest, a middle of the road boiler, fitted by a good engineer, onto a properly flushed system, with all the other bits tickety-boo is likely to last quite a lot longer than an excellent boiler chucked onto a dirty system by a couldnt-give-a-toss installer on a tight price.

 

[Riley]

Well said Ray

 

[gassafe]

I'd say vaillant easier to work on and install logical construction and better customer service IMO.

Im sorry, but when did Vaillant overtake Worcester on customer service...? I don't think that will ever happen!

5 or 7 year guarantee on both boilers at least, I'd go Worcester

 

[sheff paul]

Have to buy a new boiler in the next few day. Wonderiing what use think is the better option Worcester greenstar 38 cdi or vailliant 837 both working round about the same price

many thanks ian

worcestor= Devils *****

 

[LPC]

I fit Worcester CDi Classics generally. Very nice boilers. I've fitted lots and lots of Worcesters and never ever had a problem with one ever. So that's why I fit them. But I think Ray nailed it, i'm just installing them well

Don't forget that Vaillant have had their fair share of issues. But they are nice to repair and service.

And there is absolutely no way that Vaillant customer service is better than Worcester. Worcester service is pretty amazing.

 

[northcarr]

They are both excellent boilers, and its unlikely you will be sorry you bought either of them. Ignore all the engineers talking about how easy/hard they are to work on - thats not your problem!


Neither are cheap, so just a suggestion - having spent a lot of money on a good boiler, don't skimp on the installation side.

To be honest, a middle of the road boiler, fitted by a good engineer, onto a properly flushed system, with all the other bits tickety-boo is likely to last quite a lot longer than an excellent boiler chucked onto a dirty system by a couldnt-give-a-toss installer on a tight price.

If a boiler is harder to work on then most engineers will try and avoid or charge more to fix so I suppose it is the customers problem take the ferroli most of avoid if we can lol.

 

[LPC]

An engineer who avoids Worcesters is an odd engineer. I don't know about you but where I am, Worcesters are absolutely ubiquitous.

Also, literally every single boiler quote I do, the customer mentions Worcester over any other brand.

 

[Riley]

It's the household name though isn't it. I think it's lost a little of its sheen. It's each to there own though I suppose.

 

[northcarr]

An engineer who avoids Worcesters is an odd engineer. I don't know about you but where I am, Worcesters are absolutely ubiquitous.

Also, literally every single boiler quote I do, the customer mentions Worcester over any other brand.

Why odd I do work on them but I find them a pain in the arse to work on we all have our preferred boilers but I just don't think wb justify there price tbh us Yorkshire men like a bit more for our cash and less plastic.

 

[townfanjon]

WB incredibly well marketed boilers, thats why customers ask for them !!!, personaly I dont like them. Viessmann = the absolute dogs

 

[lolipop]

Vaillant every time,good customer service next day call out if required! 5yr ,7 yr warranty depending on model when fitted by vaillant installer ,easier to install,components copper,brass,aluminium ,stainless steel,very liittle plastic ,if you have both in front of you your eyes with choose the vaillant a good choice of controls

 

[IDCHAPPY]

I've only ever seen 1 Viessmann on the wall up here, I honestly didn't know they done domestic combi's till i seen it on the wall .
What ever happend to Vokera? they used to be the name in boilers about 15 years ago.

 

[Ray Stafford]

What ever happend to Vokera? they used to be the name in boilers about 15 years ago.

Never the same after Claudio Guggliemucci (founder) sold the business. Then they got blown up at Buncefield. Haven't seen much of them since.

 

[woodsy]

Never the same after Claudio Guggliemucci (founder) sold the business. Then they got blown up at Buncefield. Haven't seen much of them since.

Their Unica range is still a decent mid range boiler but as you said earlier, a good installation is as important as the boiler.
Went on the Viessmann course 12months ago and they were saying that when they brought their boilers to England they had a failure rate of less than one percent in Germany, but in the first year of supplying the same boiler in England they had a failure rate of approx 25 percent. When they flew the German engineers over to work out why, they fell about laughing at the poor filthy installations that we were fitting our boilers to.

 

[lolipop]

I worked for a company doing repairs for viessman ,the boiler that was launched in Britain was a new model ,they had load of problems with ignition units,pcb s,gas valve unions potentionally leaking,the damper in mixing section sticking ,diverted valves failing just where not powerful enough and those rubber hoses on the main heat exchanger where prone to leak even on clean systems ,easy to work on though !

 

[nysk2008]

I recently installed (about 11 months ago) the Vaillant Ecotech Plus 837 in my own house - that should give an indication of what I think - enough said

 

[Ermintrude]

I have been repairing boilers for 900years now or so it seems .Old Wooster are excellent and last a long time, anything made since 1997 is utter pap. A valliant of same age is normally in significantly better state than a wb who's plastic hydro block or poorly maintained and badly designed primary hex is dead leaking or in serviceable. Greenstar range keeps my wallet full .

Any half whit can become an acres sited installer why not let installer select boiler.

Oh cat pigions, ideal c40 vogue out performs both boilers much quieter, much better user interface and think better deals on a moment, plus 7 years ideal wozza!

 

[Roger Welton]

Ermin speaks sense.

 

[lame plumber]

They are both excellent boilers, and its unlikely you will be sorry you bought either of them. Ignore all the engineers talking about how easy/hard they are to work on - thats not your problem!


Neither are cheap, so just a suggestion - having spent a lot of money on a good boiler, don't skimp on the installation side.

To be honest, a middle of the road boiler, fitted by a good engineer, onto a properly flushed system, with all the other bits tickety-boo is likely to last quite a lot longer than an excellent boiler chucked onto a dirty system by a couldnt-give-a-toss installer on a tight price.

Ray speaks my mind re installation versus make. However I'd never willingly install WB or Vaillant again having had to work on them in the past, only ever touch an Intergas at present, the simple technology and lack of bits to breakdown is what sell them to me.