is this quote fair? central heating upgrade

Millsy 82 said:

It's no different to a 1 bathroom house and someone turning on a kitchen tap then? So using that logic you would never ever fit a combi boiler.

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But now you are just being pedantic you and I both know that it would affect the flow and the pressure of the shower, I guess they work on the basis that the kitchen tap will not be using as much water for such a long time. I do completely see where you’re coming from mate but you’re not going to sway me. I will continue to spec the correct heating and hot water system based on the property not the occupants. If they don’t like it as I said previously they can use a different tradesmen

I have said this story before on here a couple of times. But I will say it again.

Many years ago I worked for a woman in her 60's who lived by her self. She had no intentions of leaving the house she lived in as she liked the house the neighbours etc. Her house was a 4 bed and had a bathroom and ensuite. She had a leak on her old thermal store and her boiler was getting old so she wanted that replacing too. She had 2 people come in and they were both saying she had to have a 300l invented cylinder installed she was in tears because of the cost they wanted to charge her for this tank.

I went in and got chatting to her and she only ever used the shower she rarely had visitors so literally she had a 5 min shower daily and wash her hands a couple of times. I explained to her the reasons why they wanted to install a cylinder I explained to her we could get another thermal store but they were not cheap back then, she then asked about a combi because one of her friends had a combi I replied to her my usual for the size of the house I recommend you go for stored water but because you are using virtually no water your water usage would be fine, I said the problem comes when you turn on a tap you will use pressure on something. She was perfectly happy with that as she never had guests etc.

Needless to say the company I worked for got the job to install a combi (unfortunately she got a Worcester though) I went back to a very happy customer for the remainder of my time working for that company to service the boiler and she couldn't compliment me enough for explaining to her about her system and her options.

If the next people who move in then want the combi removed and a 300l cylinder installed then that is there choice and for them to sort out someone to do it. If you have your name written on the boiler then you may get a call and explain to that customer their options the reasons the last customer went for that system and you may just get another boiler change and system upgrade so can earn more money.

When I did up my place, 13 years or so ago, the Worcester rep and technical convinced me to fit a 42Kw combi. Worse thing I did. I had 3 showers but I had one of those as elec for back up reasons. The shower, IIRC, was 10.5Kw, and was, just, okay. 2 years ago, I ripped it all out and went with sealed CH / UV HW. It is like a different world. And 3 proper showers.

Having 2 bathrooms on a combi isn’t the end of the world, necessarily, but why would you recommend something that we all know can be bettered? Agreeing that one designs a heating system based on the individual rather than the house is nonsense. Agreeing with client demands, and fitting accordingly, is fair enough, but it does not make the selection correct.

firemant said:

When I did up my place, 13 years or so ago, the Worcester rep and technical convinced me to fit a 42Kw combi. Worse thing I did. I had 3 showers but I had one of those as elec for back up reasons. The shower, IIRC, was 10.5Kw, and was, just, okay. 2 years ago, I ripped it all out and went with sealed CH / UV HW. It is like a different world. And 3 proper showers.

Having 2 bathrooms on a combi isn’t the end of the world, necessarily, but why would you recommend something that we all know can be bettered? Agreeing that one designs a heating system based on the individual rather than the house is nonsense. Agreeing with client demands, and fitting accordingly, is fair enough, but it does not make the selection correct.

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Ok so you size to the house a 2 bed house with an ensuite would you fit a 120l unvented cylinder? No didnt think so because they would run out of water in minutes, that would be sized to the house though.

As I said let's just agree to disagree until the next time as I'm bored to death now.

The amount of complaints I have in regards to someone opening a kitchen tap while someone’s in the shower is unreal ripped a few combis out due to this

And how millsy as the cost is nearly the same eg Combi Boiler vs a heat only and unvented/ thermal store under £ 200 difference

So i guess there labour prices were high

ShaunCorbs said:

The amount of complaints I have in regards to someone opening a kitchen tap while someone’s in the shower is unreal ripped a few combis out due to this

And how millsy as the cost is nearly the same eg Combi Boiler vs a heat only and unvented/ thermal store under £ 200 difference

So i guess there labour prices were high

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Depends on what your fitting

300l megaflo well over a grand. So mega flo and system boiler £2k easy.

Millsy 82 said:

Depends on what your fitting

300l megaflo well over a grand. So mega flo and system boiler £2k easy.

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400l gledhill twin coil around the 700 mark

ShaunCorbs said:

400l gledhill twin coil around the 700 mark

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35kw biasi £600inc vat

Millsy 82 said:

35kw biasi £600inc vat

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But they wanted a Worcester

Alpha GS40 flow smart

hi guys me again.
could i have an opinion on this boiler please?
i've read conflicting reviews on its reliability.

regards

Honest opinion Alpha is cheap and nasty

how about a baxi boiler?

EvilDrPorkChop said:

Where in Manchester might be helpful, as it's a big place.

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Riley said:

Honest opinion Alpha is cheap and nasty

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I’m not a fan but some people on here will steer you.

Worcester do a 50kw combi now that does 18lpm, i'll just throw that in the mix Probably needs a 35mm gas run nearly.

OP - you need to be looking at something more decent like a german manufacture (Stay clear of Worcester though).

me again

as part of the works i am after a gas first fix in kitchen.
there is an existing gas pipe in kitchen and one guy said that is already a first fix.
shouldn't a gas tap be installed?
see pic

Depends if it’s still live

Is the pipe still live? The tap would be fitted between that outlet and the appliance. What are you expecting the kitchen supply to serve?

just a 4 point gas hob

Very difficult question without seeing what is actually involved. But if they give you what you want with a Worcester filter and are accredited by Worcester that’ll give you a 10 year warranty. The appliances are not cheap, but I would have a few quotes and not estimates. Recommended installers are worth paying for

hi just to update you.
got another two quotes and ended up choosing the installer who will install a valliant echotec 838, 13 stelard rad and two towel rail rads. this quote was 3k more than the alpha installer but a very similar price to the two worcester 42cdi quotes we got.