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But you will likely be hacked off and embarrassed if you have visitors and you have to say one at a time for the shower even though you have two. That’s what’s daft to me having two showers that you can’t use together. You might as well turn one bathroom into a walk in cupboard or something
Serious question: On a modern UV cylinder, how long does the water keep hot?
I would NEVER recommend fitting the wrong boiler to the house. The OP says they are stopping there for ever. Life is rarely that simple.
If you take no water out of the tank so introduce no cold what so ever then they reckon it's a couple of degrees loss a day. However as soon as you start to introduce cold water that loss becomes a lot greater.
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But you would force someone to have what you want them to have even though .........
I wouldn't try to fore anyone to do anything - I don't think I even implied as much. However, as the invited proffessional, it is expected that you offer advice. Sometimes the punter takes the advice, sometimes not. Ultimately, provided it is safe and legal, I would follow the instructions provided by the punter. But I am a great beleiver in paperwork, and my quotation would make mention somewhere that the quotation offered is for work specified, as opposed to recommended.
As for removing the only bath to fit a shower, unless personal circumstance dictates neccesity, then it is nuts. IMO.
Not a case of living a little and we will obviously agree to disagree but I think the whole purpose of two bathrooms is to have the option to use them simultaneously. Otherwise you might as well have one bathroom. I agree the electric shower option is a suggestion but surely you come across people who get an idea in mind and want to stick rigidly to it. These are the ones I won’t involve myself with because they are ultimately the ones that will moan afterwards or bad mouth you for doing the wrong thing even if it’s exactly what they asked for.If you would get embarrassed by saying dont take 2 showers at the same time then I think you need to live a little.
Or have 1 electric shower 1 mixer. Problem solved as long as you have the flow rate on the cold.
So what you would do is explain the pros and cons of both systems and that a combi boiler would easily cover the hot water usage of 2 people and let them decide?
So pretty much exactly what I said yet you disagreed with me then said you would NEVER recommend the wrong boiler to the HOUSE. How much water does a house use?
Not for 2 people though. Surely the system should be designed for the proposed usage.
It wasted 10 minutes of my life, bit I eventually found where I disagreed with you:
Which is a bit different to what you are now saying.
And |i still disagree with you, on that specific point
So you disagree that a combi wouldnt be suitable for a house with 2 people in it? Well loads of couples have them fitted in houses that they wont cope then even though they cope just fine. Best start ripping them all out and chucking unvented systems in then.
Probably the end of the road for this, once you run out of arguments annd start talking like a child.
As for removing the only bath to fit a shower, unless personal circumstance dictates neccesity, then it is nuts. IMO.
I disagree if it’s a family home people with kids want a bathIn my experience this is now considered an out of date opinion.
Not really relevant to the discussion, sorry, but just chipping in!
I disagree if it’s a family home people with kids want a bath
I agree with the sentiment mate. As you say it’s down to the customer. Completely get that. I’m all about communication with my customers so I’ll be honest with them if they still want to proceed and I am completely anti then I will suggest they get a couple more quotesIf your doing a house up with the intention of selling then do what is best for the house if there is no intention of selling the do what the customer wants.
I have loads of customers that have had the baths ripped out and trays put in its personal preference and if the next person to buy the house wants a bath an unvented cylinder etc then that is up to them to sort.
Problem is you’ll always find someone to fit something no matter how wrong it is. There is a difference with conversation and miss-selling I speak to so many customers where their “plumber” has said such and such will work brilliantly
nobody mentioned an electric shower.
I think the point being that a combi boiler Is not suitable for two bathrooms you are still subsidising it with an electric shower
But you and I both know that most people these days want a good strong shower experience. A combi boiler will not give the required water supply. Even if MIs state different we all know that a year down the line with scale etc the showering experience will have diminished. I was in a property a few days ago where if you turned on the shower in the main bathroom then the one in the en-suite you literally got no water out of the en-suite as it was a floor above. That to me is just wrong no ifs no buts. I totally 100% agree with you re electric shower as a back up and giving the option of two showers at once. However electric is never going to give a better shower than via a boiler
It's no different to a 1 bathroom house and someone turning on a kitchen tap then? So using that logic you would never ever fit a combi boiler.