Baffled by this system? Can't see a pump...

[OGBUzzard]

Well I was told the boiler pumped the hot water. That's the bit I didn't get. So the water is fed back to the boiler after the cylinder then pumped to the taps? Didn't realise it worked like that. Only reason I said it was a y plan is because that's all the parts that are here minus the pump. There is a boiler, a 3 port valve, a room stat, a cylinder stat, and a supply feed for power on a spur.

 

[Reg Man]

Do you know what an indirect system is?

 

[stevetheplumber]

before you put the fuse back in you should go and buy a packet of fuses about a hundred should do

 

[Crinkmeister]

I'm confused....

 

[OGBUzzard]

Do you know what an indirect system is?

Well its system that's fed off a tank isn't it? There is an immersion but its only there as a backup. A direct system is fed off the water main isn't it?

 

[Reg Man]

Well its system that's fed off a tank isn't it? There is an immersion but its only there as a backup. A direct system is fed off the water main isn't it?

I don't want to sound unhelpful, but you should take note of post 2 from Tamz. You obviously do not have enough experience to be carrying out this project; get a qualified person in to help you out.

 

[jtsplumbing]

I don't want to sound unhelpful, but you should take note of post 2 from Tamz. You obviously do not have enough experience to be carrying out this project; get a qualified person in to help you out.

Reg Man He's been told more than once that the pump is in the boiler, he seems to think that the pump is to supply water to the hot taps, (Must have fitted a shower pump in the past) knows nothing about heating systems or how to wire them, from what he is saying is only experience with electrics he as had, is carrying the electrician's tool bag, this guy is going to either blow the system or electrocute someone.

 

[OGBUzzard]

Yep one of my colleagues is coming down to the job in a few days he's ex British gas was with them for 20 years so he'll be able to sort it just thought I'd ask about whether the pump was needed. I will still wire it up as it was because it was working fine before. Thanks anyway guys.

 

[Howsie]

I wouldn't bet on it

 

[PlumbBobBob]

I wouldn't bet on it

neither would i :dizzy2:

 

[jtsplumbing]

Yep one of my colleagues is coming down to the job in a few days he's ex British gas was with them for 20 years so he'll be able to sort it just thought I'd ask about whether the pump was needed. I will still wire it up as it was because it was working fine before. Thanks anyway guys.

This will be fun ex BG & a pretend electrician ! do you want them in your house ?? :willy_nilly:

 

[ManchesterGas]

Please do not mess with things like this. It may only be electrics to you but electric can very easily kill someone, and you could easily kill someone too. You clearly do not know what you are doing.

 

[OGBUzzard]

Listen you lot need to calm down I'm doing a favour for someone because they're getting the cupboard re plastered where the wiring centre was. I appreciate your concern but I do know what I'm doing I'm just putting it back how it was. No one is going to get hurt. I've put it back this morning while on the phone to my colleague and it all works fine. The old British gas apprenticeships were actually very good and two of the best plumbers I know have worked for British gas when they started out. its like Lego really I wasn't in college the day they did wiring centres. All I wanted to know was should there be a pump in the system... I'm not a pretend electrician and I don't really appreciate all the insults. This always happens in forums people getting lemon cos they're hiding behind a computer screen. Anyway thanks for all the really really useful advice and help still no one able to answer the pretty simple question. Next time I won't bother. Jeez

 

[ManchesterGas]

If you are not a pretend electrician then you must be qualified. If it was simple to you then you wouldn't be asking!

It could still work but you have just lived up the cylinder. Things like this have happened, hence why you shouldn't touch it if you have issues. Go on a free course and find out how it all works before you mess in soneones house.

There are many people that bodge because a little knowledge is dangerous. You should see some of the gas jobs we come across because people think that they know what they are doing and clearly dont. You can't see most electricity, you can't see carbon monoxide. We are only looking out for your back.

 

[jtsplumbing]

Mate you have been told several times where the pump is, so you have had the answer to your question, and clearly you didn't understand what you were being told, so that is why you were getting sarcastic replies .

 

[Masood]

Listen you lot need to calm down I'm doing a favour for someone because they're getting the cupboard re plastered where the wiring centre was. I appreciate your concern but I do know what I'm doing I'm just putting it back how it was. No one is going to get hurt. I've put it back this morning while on the phone to my colleague and it all works fine. The old British gas apprenticeships were actually very good and two of the best plumbers I know have worked for British gas when they started out. its like Lego really I wasn't in college the day they did wiring centres. All I wanted to know was should there be a pump in the system... I'm not a pretend electrician and I don't really appreciate all the insults. This always happens in forums people getting lemon cos they're hiding behind a computer screen. Anyway thanks for all the really really useful advice and help still no one able to answer the pretty simple question. Next time I won't bother. Jeez

Mate, your question was answered three or four times. The pump is inside the boiler. You apparently don't know the difference between a shower pump and a central heating pump, nor between a direct and indirect cylinder. These are alarmingly simple things that anyone working even on the fringes of heating systems should know. Are you surprised that people were concerned about your ability to do the work safely?

 

[jtsplumbing]

If you are not a pretend electrician then you must be qualified. If it was simple to you then you wouldn't be asking!

It could still work but you have just lived up the cylinder. Things like this have happened, hence why you shouldn't touch it if you have issues. Go on a free course and find out how it all works before you mess in soneones house.

There are many people that bodge because a little knowledge is dangerous. You should see some of the gas jobs we come across because people think that they know what they are doing and clearly dont. You can't see most electricity, you can't see carbon monoxide. We are only looking out for your back.

But some people wont listen, they think they know best ! probably been looking on u'tube

 

[SimonG]

This one is very simple, if you don't know, then don't play. Fine, you might know a bit about electrics, but that won't help you in this. I know a couple of sparks who've been in the trade for years but won't wire heating systems.

Won't be much of a favour if you fry the pcb on the boiler.

 

[OGBUzzard]

Its done. Everything's working fine. Thanks for all the really useful advice and help. Turns out its just like Lego. As I said before I wasn't in college the day they did wiring centres. No ones hurt no need to call the police everyone can relax.

 

[Reg Man]

Glad you got through this, but you do worry me. Did all your continuity checks ZE, ZS PFC work out ok?

 

[SimonG]

Glad you got through this, but you do worry me. Did all your continuity checks ZE, ZS PFC work out ok?

Trouble is that he didn't worry himself. Still what's the 'absolute' worst that could happen. A short burns the house down and kills somebody. Still if that happens he won't do it again.

 

[OGBUzzard]

I'm not an electrician so no I didn't but the sparky on their job will be doing all that. I'll PM all of you a photo of the test results then you may finally be able to sleep. It really isn't a big deal, I've seen some plumbers out there that can't spell and look like the missing link, and they seem to be able to wire it up ok. Being a plumber doesn't require MENSA membership and some of you need to pull yourselves out of your own arses. Wages for plumbing these days are bloody terrible anyway I don't envy you. I do my own plumbing and for friends and family so they don't get ripped off by jumped up labourers with a spanner. I'm a refurb contractor and I know enough about every trade not to get mugged off.

 

[Destroyer2813]

Ah that explains everything you know a little of every trade and not a lot about all of them then if you can't differentiate between systems

 

[OGBUzzard]

HAHAHAHA I was the one answering my own questions here, no one helped one bit. I told you lot it was a y plan. I worked that out because of the components in the system, and the fact it had a v4703 mid pos valve. All I wanted to know was whether every system needs a pump, I thought it might have been under their floor or something. I still didn't get the answer, someone even said "a y plan won't work without a pump". I wish I'd never asked to be honest. Thanks though for all the really really useful advice.

 

[Rickster123]

No probs. now kindly jog on.