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fuzzy
i didnt see that b wall, clever but not really funny for those who are on the wrong end
what were they like to work for?
what were they like to work for?
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petertaylor
"B. Wall" was only funny to the bosses, even the centre managers and staff would cringe at it, but the rule was that every letter went to him, it was really Alan Jackson (before he sold it to Richard Hunt) and it gives a real understanding of how little he respected the students.
They were OK as employers, bit dictatorial really just like any other direct sales job.
They were OK as employers, bit dictatorial really just like any other direct sales job.
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petertaylor
Alan Jackson (Mr slippery) was the owner of building trades, Home inspectors and car teacher training in Tolworth, Manchester, Birmingham and Bristol, he then sold it on to a guy named Richard Hunt that realised he had a mess to clear up after a week or two and had no money coming in because most of us sales guys realised it would be closed immanently so stopped selling.
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did people know at the time the joke of b wall or just staff? does seem quite a bad taste joke for people paying 1,000s
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kay-jay
Common knowledge mate
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fuzzy
Common knowledge mate
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so basically they didnt listen to complaints?
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kay-jay
Oh they listened then sent written fob off letters 6 weeks later is what i was told
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Hardy1
BTSC- what a journey i had through there..
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petertaylor
did people know at the time the joke of b wall or just staff? does seem quite a bad taste joke for people paying 1,000s
All staff knew of this and looking back it was a way of keeping the sales side positive by not letting us deal with anything other than sales, even the centre managers and admin staff were banned from dealing with complaints. If the trainees were aware of this they had nowhere else to deal with anyway!
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petertaylor
They always replied in 14 days but they trotted out the same in every letter, the sad part is that most people gave up seeking redress, in three years they paid out 25% value of 10% of the claimants, if nothing else they knew the law and psychology of the students.
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fuzzy
so they used the contract to slowly demoralise people?
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petertaylor
Not really I think they wanted people to succeed but they wanted the profit more, the contract was so unfair that if it went to court you'd have a fair chance it would be deemed unlawful due to it's unfairness, I bet you weren't informed that all the interviews were recorded and listened to, the sign -up rooms when you sign up are all micro-phoned up and calls recorded,all of the time-lines for training were ambitious to say the least, in the energy assessor side the course was difficult, the training rules were stringent, the exams hard to understand, the only good thing was that some of the trainers were good, the bad ones took wait for it.......11 times to pass one of the tests, and he was a fully trained surveyor.so they used the contract to slowly demoralise people?
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fuzzy
Not really I think they wanted people to succeed but they wanted the profit more, the contract was so unfair that if it went to court you'd have a fair chance it would be deemed unlawful due to it's unfairness, I bet you weren't informed that all the interviews were recorded and listened to, the sign -up rooms when you sign up are all micro-phoned up and calls recorded,all of the time-lines for training were ambitious to say the least, in the energy assessor side the course was difficult, the training rules were stringent, the exams hard to understand, the only good thing was that some of the trainers were good, the bad ones took wait for it.......11 times to pass one of the tests, and he was a fully trained surveyor.
sounds like the training could be good but the training experience wasnt
a chap at college went through BTSC but gave up after the 3rd week, he said he got no refund which I suspect means a loss fo a few thousand quid, i dodn't push further but he said it was too far to travel, i would of thought before opaying up he would have known exactly what the travel situation was .
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petertaylor
a chap at college went through BTSC but gave up after the 3rd week, he said he got no refund which I suspect means a loss fo a few thousand quid, i dodn't push further but he said it was too far to travel, i would of thought before opaying up he would have known exactly what the travel situation was .
The way these courses are sold are mainly as an impulse purchase, take the incoming call and convert to interview, interview and arrange to call back tomorrow, say they have been selected for this great "trade" and when can they pay, book a sign-up time, sign-up and pass to the trainers, all told it normally took a week, then they're in a classroom thinking "how did I get here". The other type is the person that wants a job, trade, qualifications but they aren't always told how difficult it is, it takes time to assimilate all that information.
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fuzzy
peter that is exactly the feelings i get from people when they talk to me about these courses. when i point out the harsh realisties they want to argue with me and think i am being negative, they often say, "but the training centre said this..........." and "you just dont want me in the trade because i am competition". None of this is true or certainly hasnt been for the last 5 years as work has been plentiful(may be different now)
I guess we have all wanted to believe something at times, fine, but sit back and think, as you say they are often sat in a classroom before they know it, you need time to reflect on options
I guess we have all wanted to believe something at times, fine, but sit back and think, as you say they are often sat in a classroom before they know it, you need time to reflect on options
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fuzzy
a chap at college went through BTSC but gave up after the 3rd week, he said he got no refund which I suspect means a loss fo a few thousand quid, i dodn't push further but he said it was too far to travel, i would of thought before opaying up he would have known exactly what the travel situation was .
maybe knew he wouldnt complete and cut his losses?
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fuzzy
and have btsc gone or are they still trading?
They still advetise is local papers, Plumbers earn £40k after training!!!
BTSC UK still trading, but what they are saying is BTSC EUROPE is a different company nothing to do with them! When you sign with BTSC EUROPE they were giving Job Replacement contract which was %100 job replacement, and when you finish the course, you ask for job replacement, and they advice to contact David Randall from BTSC careers and all he does keep sending cv back, asking to change bits on it or add something more, it takes more than a month to make a cv, and when all finish and he is short of ideas to waste more time , he is asking if you want to work in a warehouse till you find a job or different career, and after paying thousands of pounds to change a career and finish all course, some muppet comes from BTSC careers and tell you to work in warehouse. Just a big joke. And the other thing is that David Randall is working for BTSC UK.
My advice for people who look for training centre to search about place more, read every sentence in the contract and allways pay with credit card. If they can't give the service what you signed for, you can allways get your money back.
My advice for people who look for training centre to search about place more, read every sentence in the contract and allways pay with credit card. If they can't give the service what you signed for, you can allways get your money back.
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BTSC UK still trading, but what they are saying is BTSC EUROPE is a different company nothing to do with them! When you sign with BTSC EUROPE they were giving Job Replacement contract which was 0 job replacement, and when you finish the course, you ask for job replacement, and they advice to contact David Randall from BTSC careers and all he does keep sending cv back, asking to change bits on it or add something more, it takes more than a month to make a cv, and when all finish and he is short of ideas to waste more time , he is asking if you want to work in a warehouse till you find a job or different career, and after paying thousands of pounds to change a career and finish all course, some muppet comes from BTSC careers and tell you to work in warehouse. Just a big joke. And the other thing is that David Randall is working for BTSC UK.
My advice for people who look for training centre to search about place more, read every sentence in the contract and allways pay with credit card. If they can't give the service what you signed for, you can allways get your money back.
ive had this with david randall to- he acts all nice but just doesnt want to know in the end-BTSC's 100% job placement is a big fat lieeee!!!!- ive been gone 2 months and still sitting down finding my own work.
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fuzzy
but did you sign with placement?
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petertaylor
The fact they have pople looking for work is laudable but the line we sales people always said was "we guarantee a minimum of up to *** jobs per week" clear as mud, with 20-40 or so people signing a month a total of 4 people got jobs in 3 years that I know of, and I had access to these figures.
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kay-jay
The job placement as i understand it was contingent upon completing the course within a difficult to achieve time frame
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fuzzy
so there was a condition that had to be met to get work, but that condition was unlikely to be met
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