Budget boiler recommendations + quote

[kriket]

Hi,

Our 3-bedroom detached house in Birmingham had it's GlowWorm Compact 100e's pump overheat and it seems replacing the pump will cost around £100-£200. If I am going to spend £200 to repair a 10-year old boiler, I might as well fork out £500 on a budget boiler. Checked the reveiws on reviewcentre where everyone said heatline caprizplus is really good and has vaillant internals except the brand name. And a local plumbing company is also selling them for around £450 on ebay with 2 years parts and labour.

However, was just about to buy the above till I read a few posts on this forum which didnt favor the above boiler. So please help me choose a decent budget boiler according to my property:
1. Detached 3-bedroom house which had glowworm compact 100e fitted about 10 years ago. (so the property should be set-up to install a combi boiler - forgive me, its my parents property and am not sure about the set-up, though they tell me that the boiler heats up the water as well as the central heating obv).

2. looked at ideal logic , however it will be a tad over what we can afford. Can u guys recommend a link to get that at a bargain price. (£600 budget).

3. you guys know someone who can install the boiler for a nice, cheap price? (birmingham)

thanks.

 

[Chalked]

Your problem is that you have a 10 year old cheap at the time boiler that now is uneconomical to fix.

you need to increase your budget or have the same problem again in 5-10 years. The labour is the same cost to fit a poor boiler as a good one.

 

[Alpha man]

Good luck with your search, get a few GSR people in to quote you!

 

[kriket]

Your problem is that you have a 10 year old cheap at the time boiler that now is uneconomical to fix.

you need to increase your budget or have the same problem again in 5-10 years. The labour is the same cost to fit a poor boiler as a good one.

a bit harsh. idea logic+ with 5 year warranty is a good deal surely. If not, tell me what would u recommend then?

PS - It wasnt us who installed the boiler 10 years ago. We only recently moved in to the property and hence a little tight on budget. still think £600 should be fair for a decent midweight budget. Of course, one can always install worcestor but if there is a decent alternative, I would rather ask the people on here about it.

 

[Ray Stafford]

If you like the look of the Logic, but are under price pressure, look at the Ideal Independent. It is the same basic machine as the Logic, although not identical. It is a bit cheaper though.

 

[Ray Stafford]

Not everyone can afford to buy premium products, otherwise we would all be driving Aston Martins.

The Ideal Logic is a decent boiler, and not to be sneezed at. You might struggle to get it in your budget though.

 

[Chalked]

a bit harsh. idea logic+ with 5 year warranty is a good deal surely. If not, tell me what would u recommend then?

PS - It wasnt us who installed the boiler 10 years ago. We only recently moved in to the property and hence a little tight on budget.

Sorry didn't mean to sound harsh. ( it's the way I write)

but you said you were trying to get a boiler for around £500. That is the problem. The ideal is a good boiler but its not in the budget you mentioned.
Ideal Logic + Plus System Boiler Packs Natural Gas

 

[kriket]

Not everyone can afford to buy premium products, otherwise we would all be driving Aston Martins.

The Ideal Logic is a decent boiler, and not to be sneezed at. You might struggle to get it in your budget though.

If I can get ideal logic plus for around 600 I will probably go for it, but how worse is "ideal independent" than "ideal logic"? Of course, cheaper and hence not as good , etc, but if its not too bad, i will go for the cheaper one due to a limited budget.

 

[Ray Stafford]

If I can get ideal logic plus for around 600 I will probably go for it, but how worse is "ideal independent" than "ideal logic"? Of course, cheaper and hence not as good , etc, but if its not too bad, i will go for the cheaper one due to a limited budget.

Some of the more techie guys will be able to give you the detail, but its certainly the same basic platform, and I think about 90% of the components are the same. The warranty details are the same. Obviously back-up will be the same engineers.

 

[kriket]

Sorry didn't mean to sound harsh. ( it's the way I write)

but you said you were trying to get a boiler for around £500. That is the problem. The ideal is a good boiler but its not in the budget you mentioned.

see the thing is if you google " reviewcentre heatline caprizeplus" u will find tens of 5 star reviews for a boiler that I can get for 450 and 2 year parts and labor. If the reviews are independent then surely a cheap boiler cant be that bad. and like people said, ideal logic+ cant be that bad and I can buy that for 650 as well (ebay, etc). Just dont want to stretch it as installation will cost me as well cos will have to get a gas certified engineer in.

 

[Chalked]

Dont forget the flue kit.

 

[kriket]

Some of the more techie guys will be able to give you the detail, but its certainly the same basic platform, and I think about 90% of the components are the same. The warranty details are the same. Obviously back-up will be the same engineers.

yes, waiting for them to reply. thanks for the advise. also what about "ideal pro combi"?

 

[kriket]

Dont forget the flue kit.

flue is included in the product I am after but thanks for the reminder. although i will add its 24kw and not 30+

 

[PlumbBobBob]

Dont forget the flue kit.

and also labour to fit

 

[Scott_D]

Dont forget that when you look at the price of a boiler online you only see the price of the boiler.
Other items are required to go with it. Time clocks, filling loops, flues, chemicals, etc etc.
What you see online may not be that accurate, best to get quotes from someone who will supply and fit everything.


Edit I was beaten too it

 

[Ray Stafford]

yes, waiting for them to reply. thanks for the advise. also what about "ideal pro combi"?

The Pro Combi is an own brand for one of the distributors. At the moment it happens to be made by Ideal - its another version of the Logic/independent family.

Its a bit like the way car makers use the same basic platform across several brand names.

 

[kriket]

and also labour to fit

like i said earlier

see the thing is if you google " reviewcentre heatline caprizeplus" u will find tens of 5 star reviews for a boiler that I can get for 450 and 2 year parts and labor. If the reviews are independent then surely a cheap boiler cant be that bad. and like people said, ideal logic+ cant be that bad and I can buy that for 650 as well (ebay, etc). Just dont want to stretch it as installation will cost me as well cos will have to get a gas certified engineer in.​

hence, looking for a midweight boiler as all these extras will increase the total cost.

 

[kriket]

Dont forget that when you look at the price of a boiler online you only see the price of the boiler.
Other items are required to go with it. Time clocks, filling loops, flues, chemicals, etc etc.
What you see online may not be that accurate, best to get quotes from someone who will supply and fit everything.


Edit I was beaten too it

some sellers include flue kit, but other than that I am on my own. Could u please give me a list of what I would need to get if I was to go with ideal logic+ for example?


PS - I cant post links but could someone pls tell me why a £450 boiler (heatline capizeplus) has twelve 5 star ratings on reviewcentre? and someof them from a certified engineer. All that stuff about vaillant parts?

 

[GasmanxxxR1]

You know if you get an engineer in, he does all this leg work for you, its what your paying him for

Once you've got all your bits, why dont we just tell you how to fit it and you wont need to pay anyone.

 

[kriket]

The Pro Combi is an own brand for one of the distributors. At the moment it happens to be made by Ideal - its another version of the Logic/independent family.

Its a bit like the way car makers use the same basic platform across several brand names.

but its really cheap and within the budget and sellers on ebay are including everthing it seems - timer, flue, etc. for £500. Cant post links as new member.

But its not worth it if its not a good boiler but someone recommended this here on the forums in a previous thread. So would like more opinions and recommendations as it seems there are a load of midweight boilers out there and I might be able to find one which is good and at the right price.

 

[kriket]

You know if you get an engineer in, he does all this leg work for you, its what your paying him for

Once you've got all your bits, why dont we just tell you how to fit it and you wont need to pay anyone.

Like i have mentioned several times in this thread, I am going to get a certified engineer (and also asked members here to give me a quote for the labor in the OP). But if the boiler comes with all the extra stuff, what can i do?

 

[GasmanxxxR1]

Let the engineer buy the boiler

 

[Dotty]

Look, what the guys are saying here and you're not getting a grasp of is there's more to a boiler replacement than just a boiler!

Get 3-4 quotes from GSR's. Suggest to them the boiler(s) you've had recommended.

He may steer you to a boiler he is familiar with for 2 reasons.

1. He'll be commissioning it.
2. You would probably want him to service it every year.

The problem with you supplying the boiler is that if there are any problems at all with it out of the box you're stuck with it, whereas if your gsr is supplying it the onus is on him to get it working. Likewise the warranty is down to him too.

 

[Scott_D]

PS - I cant post links but could someone pls tell me why a £450 boiler (heatline capizeplus) has twelve 5 star ratings on reviewcentre? and someof them from a certified engineer. All that stuff about vaillant parts?

Some peoples idea of a good product is a cheap product.
If you get 5 quotes you will probably get 4 different recommendations on the best boiler.
Choose the installer you feel most comfortable with doing the work as they will most likely be servicing and maintaining it for you in the future.

 

[kriket]

Look, what the guys are saying here and you're not getting a grasp of is there's more to a boiler replacement than just a boiler!

Get 3-4 quotes from GSR's. Suggest to them the boiler(s) you've had recommended.

He may steer you to a boiler he is familiar with for 2 reasons.

1. He'll be commissioning it.
2. You would probably want him to service it every year.

The problem with you supplying the boiler is that if there are any problems at all with it out of the box you're stuck with it, whereas if your gsr is supplying it the onus is on him to get it working. Likewise the warranty is down to him too.

i do get that but even GSRs are quoting over £1000 to supply and install a boiler like "ideal independent". I asked one GSR in the area when I was getting a quote for the pump for my old boiler but maybe I should ask more GSRs tomorrow. Can you or someone tell me, how much will I be expected to pay in total for a midweight boiler supplied and installed by a gsr? perhaps a price range if not an exact amount?