Budget boiler recommendations + quote

Status
Not open for further replies.
scott_d said:
Some peoples idea of a good product is a cheap product.
If you get 5 quotes you will probably get 4 different recommendations on the best boiler.
Choose the installer you feel most comfortable with doing the work as they will most likely be servicing and maintaining it for you in the future.
Click to expand...

normally that is the case, but when i read reviews like the following, I wonder

"We are Gas Safe installers and have fitted around 60 of these (heatline caprizeplus) boilers. They have been completely reliable and the customers love them. Basically the internals are all Vaillant. They come complete with the Vaillant heat engine (gas valve, fan and heat exchanger) and have a 'air snorkel' fitted to reduce air intake noise. Fitted is the latest 2014 regs compliant Grunfos 15/50 modulating pump to reduce noise and increase efficiency. Well built, easy to use, operate and install. Don't be put off by the budget price. You wont be disappointed.


"
 
Last edited by a moderator:
Ideal logic plus has internal filling loop and flue pack. You would need a programmable stat. Inhibitor and cleaner. Ideal installer will get u 7 years on ideal logic plus. I would recommend them . 24 kW is a small boiler. Are your showers electric. As a minimum I would say 30 or even 35kw. Your gas supply may also require upgrading and as the new boiler is condensing you will need a route for the condensate to get to a drain. Use a credicard with 0% to buy boiler and then £300 to install it.
 
£1000 to supply and fit a boiler is cheap

I think the cheapist install ive done is £1250 and that was because it was the easiest install ever, £1000 to supply and fit is as cheap as its gonna go, maybe even too cheap, if you know what i mean
 
Ermintrude said:
Ideal logic plus has internal filling loop and flue pack. You would need a programmable stat. Inhibitor and cleaner. Ideal installer will get u 7 years on ideal logic plus. I would recommend them . 24 kW is a small boiler. Are your showers electric. As a minimum I would say 30 or even 35kw. Your gas supply may also require upgrading and as the new boiler is condensing you will need a route for the condensate to get to a drain. Use a credicard with 0% to buy boiler and then £300 to install it.
Click to expand...

the current boiler (glow worm compact 100e) does both the central heating and the showers. So will need a 30-35 then. really do appreciate the advise
 
That sounds like an advert for the boiler.
I have never fitted or even seen the boiler mentioned, it might be great and problem free for 10 years. Or you might wish in two years you had chosen another.
In the end it come down to budget and you have to make your own decision.
 
GasmanxxxR1 said:
£1000 to supply and fit a boiler is cheap

I think the cheapist install ive done is £1250 and that was because it was the easiest install ever, £1000 to supply and fit is as cheap as its gonna go, maybe even too cheap, if you know what i mean
Click to expand...

but like the other poster said, if i can get the boiler and kit for 500-600 and leave aside 300 for install, i wont need to spend 1250
 
scott_d said:
That sounds like an advert for the boiler.
I have never fitted or even seen the boiler mentioned, it might be great and problem free for 10 years. Or you might wish in two years you had chosen another.
In the end it come down to budget and you have to make your own decision.
Click to expand...

I do thorough research before deciding, and decided to go with the stated boiler initially (heatline caprizeplus) after reading such reviews from GSRs on several forums who say they not only install it in other peoples properties but their own too. I would post links of forum posts , posted by people who had been a long time members etc, but will avoid as its not good etiquette. Personally, I was going to buy it but changed my mind after reading a thread on this forum. At least, for now I am not in a huryy to get the £450 offer.
 
kriket said:
but like the other poster said, if i can get the boiler and kit for 500-600 and leave aside 300 for install, i wont need to spend 1250
Click to expand...

you're not factoring we are running businesses
we have tools, consumables, vehicles, accountants, insurances, we have to register that boiler, do admin work.

Registration of that boiler costs us money, so that 300 is slashed.
consumables used in the install
less money again for us.
other materials to pay for
our time and travel

i would be better off working at tescos 🙂

not to mention if you supply the boiler then the gsr won't take responsibility for it in the future.
it hasn't come from our suppliers!

I know you want the cheapest option and in the current climate most people do.
but a point comes when that cheap option becomes very expensive down the line....
 
GasmanxxxR1 said:
Buy cheap, buy twice
Click to expand...

see u guys are not getting the point. If a GSR is going to supply and install the same "ideal independent" boiler for £1200, I might as well get the same boiler for £600 and pay a willing GSR £300 to install. Of course, you as a GSR will like more but there might be a GSR who might be willing to do the job for £300. Each to their own. (infact I already have a GSR who might be willing to do it for the price as he does all the other plumbing at a discount as well) And I am still getting the 5 year parts and labor warranty with the brand. Totally understand, that you have to make a living , but if I can get a boiler myself with warranty for much else, and have a GSR who is willing to install , why should I not go that route especially if we have a tight budget.

Dont want to stir anything up guys, just need recommendations on a decent midweight boiler.
 
Last edited by a moderator:
Please let us know how you got on, what boiler you chose and how much you had to pay for installation, would be interested to know if a GSR would do it for £300 all in

Best of luck with your search
 
GasmanxxxR1 said:
£1000 to supply and fit a boiler is cheap

I think the cheapist install ive done is £1250 and that was because it was the easiest install ever, £1000 to supply and fit is as cheap as its gonna go, maybe even too cheap, if you know what i mean
Click to expand...


Sorry, but I wouldn't be suppling and fitting a boiler for a Grand, I'm sure some people would, so beware!!
 
GasmanxxxR1 said:
Please let us know how you got on, what boiler you chose and how much you had to pay for installation, would be interested to know if a GSR would do it for £300 all in

Best of luck with your search
Click to expand...
will do. Anyone else know whether "pro combi" is any good? as regards to the post number 16 by "Ray Stafford"?
 
Alpha man said:
Sorry, but I wouldn't be suppling and fitting a boiler for a Grand, I'm sure some people would, so beware!!
Click to expand...

Who would in their right minds supply and fit for £1000, rock bottom prices if you've nought else to do and love your job that much!

Cant believe this guy
 
gasman, I am just here to get recommendations on a budget boiler. Someone else mentioned that GSRs can install it for £300, and i am just quoting that. So pls can we just chat about boilers only? Heatline caprizeplus, ideal logic+ or independent or pro combi?
 
kriket said:
see u guys are not getting the point. If a GSR is going to supply and install the same "ideal independent" boiler for £1200, I might as well get the same boiler for £600 and pay a willing GSR £300 to install. Of course, you as a GSR will like more but there might be a GSR who might be willing to do the job for £300. Each to their own. (infact I already have a GSR who might be willing to do it for the price as he does all the other plumbing at a discount as well) And I am still getting the 5 year parts and labor warranty with the brand. Totally understand, that you have to make a living , but if I can get a boiler myself with warranty for much else, and have a GSR who is willing to install , why should I not go that route especially if we have a tight budget.
Click to expand...

You make a reasonable point, but I think that there is something you are also missing.

I should make it clear that I am not an engineer, I am a wholesaler.

If you buy the boiler from whatever source (not us, we only sell trade) and then get a GSR installer to put it in labour only, thats fine, until there is a problem.

Who owns that problem? The manufacturer will claim faulty installation. The GSR will rightly say "not interested mate, I sold you xx hours of time for £yy". Call the manufacturer.

Answer - you own the problem. And putting it right will cost you way more than paying for a quality install in the first place.

But of course it may be fine. If so, you win. If not, you lose.
 
Ray Stafford said:
You make a reasonable point, but I think that there is something you are also missing.

I should make it clear that I am not an engineer, I am a wholesaler.

If you buy the boiler from whatever source (not us, we only sell trade) and then get a GSR installer to put it in labour only, thats fine, until there is a problem.

Who owns that problem? The manufacturer will claim faulty installation. The GSR will rightly say "not interested mate, I sold you xx hours of time for £yy". Call the manufacturer.

Answer - you own the problem. And putting it right will cost you way more than paying for a quality install in the first place.

But of course it may be fine. If so, you win. If not, you lose.
Click to expand...

thanks for clarifying this. Now you put it like that, and obv whats the point of 5 year warranty if they r not going to honor it.

Seems like I might just have to get a few GSRs to look at the property
 
Last edited by a moderator:
kriket said:
gasman, I am just here to get recommendations on a budget boiler. Someone else mentioned that GSRs can install it for £300, and i am just quoting that. So pls can we just chat about boilers only? Heatline caprizeplus, ideal logic+ or independent or pro combi?
Click to expand...

As much as i wish i could say choose the capriz to teach you a life lesson, even i'm not that vindictive.
ive removed over a dozen in the past year alone.

Pro combi ive only seen one, it was 2/3 years old and we were pulling it out.
the ideals i have no idea
 
1king55 said:
As much as i wish i could say choose the capriz to teach you a life lesson, even i'm not that vindictive.
ive removed over a dozen in the past year alone.

Pro combi ive only seen one, it was 2/3 years old and we were pulling it out.
the ideals i have no idea
Click to expand...
appreciate it mainly cos I was interested in heatline in the first place cos GSRs like the one on reviewcentre gave it 5 stars. Otherwise, how else do people like myself come to know about such boilers.

seems like I might have to increase my budget to 1200-1300
 
Last edited by a moderator:
kriket said:
thanks for clarifying this. Now you put it like that, and obv whats the point of 5 year warranty if they r not going to honor it.
Click to expand...

Ah - the heart of the problem.

You are thinking of a boiler as a stand alone appliance, like a fridge, or a washing machine.

It isn't.

A boiler is a component in a larger system - your central heating and hot water system. That system is complex, and every one is slightly different.

The warranty is fine IF its a boiler problem. But if the problem is caused by your system, then the warranty is void.

Just for one example - your installer on a budget doesn't flush the system properly. A bit of muck from the old system gets into the new boiler, and blocks the heat exchanger.

Why should the boiler warranty cover that?

And that's just the commonest issue.
 
Last edited by a moderator:
Status
Not open for further replies.

Featured Content

Back
Top