But what controls do I ACTUALLY need to have installed with the boiler?!

[jtsplumbing]

Customer also presumably wants to understand what it is they're actually paying for, if it's actually needed, and that they're not actually getting ripped off when you ask two different installers and between them black can be white depending on who you listen

Example in question: two installers came this week, one said the boiler was fine where it was, the other said it had to be moved as Worcester require a gap of 600mm from the front of the boiler to allow removal of the cage and for the engineer to work on it and mine only has 400 odd. By the book, the second guy was 100% correct, but when I asked the first guy he just said, 'ah, it'll be fine, there's more than enough space to work on it.' So if I go for the first guy and I have a problem after which Worcester send an engineer who says it's too close and it voids the warranty, then I should just accept that the first guy was a cheeky old so & so and just go about my way?? No, but I'm expected to trust the info given by plumbers/installers without questioning it!

Perhaps if people ALL did a first rate job, they wouldn't get questioned about what they're doing, and hear whining (note the spelling) about why the prices can vary so much!!

If you hate people so much, then change jobs!!

Lucky I scrolled down on to reply or I would have missed most of your reply ! Its difficult to comment on what you have been told (hearsay) you don't have to listen to what your being told or advised, Do your own research and make your own decision then you only have your self to blame if things are not right, do all the running around, purchase all the materials, call someone to fit it, and be there so you can tell them what to do, Regards to your comment on getting different prices, well all that depends on what each persons overheads are, if your not happy with what a small (Sole trader) is telling you then go for the larger company's, BG just to name one, Do I hate people ?? 'NO' just get a bit P off at times with customers like you, thankfully I don't come across all that meny , & I've been in this job for 40+ years, and worked for all classes of people from Mr average to Lords & Ladies, and unlike you they know what they want.

 

[Blackspaven]

Problem was I WASN'T being advised on one count and then had conflicting info on the other, hence asking a larger group of individuals on here, just didn't know when you did ask things, some people throw there toys out the pram! Fortunately.there HAVE been some very helpful individuals on here who have helped me back up thewhich bits of conflicting info I was actually told.

I know what I would like, and happy to pay the going rate for it, just not happy to be fobbed off or talked down to by alpha male cowboy plumbers who don't appear to want to pass on ALL the information. Don't worry, I wouldn't let suchlike do any work in my house. ;-)

 

[Blackspaven]

To the non-idiotic egomaniacs and other less illiterate individuals on here, thanks for the heads up on the weather compensation controllers, I'll have a look into them. Surprisingly, not one person who quoted for the job suggested them, with one even just texting ":nono:" when I asked them they're opinion of them!

It's the way of the world, I guess

 

[jtsplumbing]

Problem was I WASN'T being advised on one count and then had conflicting info on the other, hence asking a larger group of individuals on here, just didn't know when you did ask things, some people throw there toys out the pram! Fortunately.there HAVE been some very helpful individuals on here who have helped me back up thewhich bits of conflicting info I was actually told.

I know what I would like, and happy to pay the going rate for it, just not happy to be fobbed off or talked down to by alpha male cowboy plumbers who don't appear to want to pass on ALL the information. Don't worry, I wouldn't let suchlike do any work in my house. ;-)

There is some information we are not allowed to pass on to non Gas Safe people (Like you) as it is against forum rules, as you are aware there are Stupid people who think that messing around with gas is ok, & for all we know you could be one of them !
If you would like to know the secret's of the inner chamber then all you have to do is become as Registered gas engineer

 

[Blackspaven]

Inner chamber, lol. Fair play.

No, in MY job, I come across idiots who have messed with their own gas & electricity in the guise of diy quite a bit, so I completely understand that it's not something to 'have a go' with and would never try, I said as much on another thread.
I'm happy for whoever with whatever the right qualifications are to do the work for me, and at a reasonable price (even usually tip workmen if it's a good job), but BECAUSE at times it can all be a strange language (as with any technical job, mine included), sometimes there are a few things that just need explaining so one can appreciate what you need, what you're getting, and that the person giving it to you is along the same lines as the customer in terms of what the end goal is. Nothing in this thread that's overly difficult, just after a little clarity with some heating terms, practicalities and parts.

All I was struggling with at the start was something one of the installers said but didn't describe very well when asked... and who likes to ask someone the same question three or four times without getting a little awkwards?!

Every person on here knows that some people sell by baffling with science... and sometimes that science ain't too... scientific!

 

[Blackspaven]

To the non-idiotic egomaniacs and other less illiterate individuals on here, thanks for the heads up on the weather compensation controllers, I'll have a look into them. Surprisingly, not one person who quoted for the job suggested them, with one even just texting ":nono:" when I asked them they're opinion of them!

It's the way of the world, I guess

Sorry, I did put a star in the word to avoid it being rude, but fyi, the plumber who didn't like the weather compensation devices said it was a four letter word that comes out one's bottom and rhymes with Brit.

 

[Dotty]

Sorry, I did put a star in the word to avoid it being rude, but fyi, the plumber who didn't like the weather compensation devices said it was a four letter word that comes out one's bottom and rhymes with Brit.

That's as may be. It still contravened the forum rules which you are stretching with this last post.

Please refrain from doing so.

 

[Blackspaven]

Will do chief. Just giving a direct quote so hard to do other than what he said, not my own personal opinion. But noted.

 

[Jay The Plumber]

To the non-idiotic egomaniacs and other less illiterate individuals on here

that's the way to win us over.

 

[Blackspaven]

Us?? Boys club all of a sudden?

 

[lame plumber]

very special club, you won't ever see a sole trader going on strike, we value our customers to much. Always ready for work.

 

[Jay The Plumber]

Us?? Boys club all of a sudden?

you came here asking advice, then you start insulting the community here, you are behaving no better than any other internet troll .. so yes 'us', the community.

 

[Blackspaven]

Not allowed to strike even if you wanted to.

Whoa, back up sunshine, who was it who started off all aggressive?? Me?? No!! If you can't take it, don't give it!

Or are you saying part of the allowance of being gas safe is being allowed to talk to people like a jeremy hunt?! Nice attitude!

 

[Dotty]

OP. You either want advice or you don't.

I believe that you've been advised several times on this thread what controls you need as a bare minimum and what additional controls you can add to achieve the optimum performance from your boiler. Your boiler, you can have what you want. The question you really need to be asking yourself is whether you want to save a quick buck now or reduce your fuel bills over the life of the boiler.

But please don't be insulting us because we won't go into technical specifics. You don't need to know them. We do. All you need is a trust relationship with the installer. Which you clearly don't have.

 

[lame plumber]

Not allowed to strike even if you wanted to.

Whoa, back up sunshine, who was it who started off all aggressive?? Me?? No!! If you can't take it, don't give it!

Or are you saying part of the allowance of being gas safe is being allowed to talk to people like a jeremy hunt?! Nice attitude!

I think Mr Hunt has it dead right to be honest, folks who after 10 years can pull in £70k a year should earn it.

 

[Blackspaven]

If money is your goal, then more power to you. Doesn't drive all of us.

I'm merely responding to people attacking me for no reason, but this is getting more and more ridiculous as it goes on. Again, I didn't start any of this at all so I presume those in did will have a word page to them, surely in the name of equality and balance, yes?

Yes, got my answer already, but then it altered to a chat about weather compensating controllers, hence my thanks to those who brought them to my attention. Everything else was NOT of my construction!

I think a mod should close this thread, it's gotten childish!

 

[rpm]

I think a mod should close this thread

After 41 posts on something quite simple I agree.

 

[Blackspaven]

Absolutely! To be honest, I got my answer by about post 20 at the most but then it naturally swerved into talking about weather compensating units before taking a harsh left into abuse the op country!

 

[Masood]

EDIT: don't worry, I've just learnt about the boiler not working properly when you have a thermostat and every rad with a TRV, which was explained to me at the time but they just didn't expain it as boiler interlock, that's all. Strange, didn't think it would have been that hard to explain. Who knew?!

Your understanding of boiler interlock is still incorrect. It's true that you should not have a TRV in the same room as the room stat, but boiler interlock simply means any form of time & temperature control which positively shuts off the boiler when there is no demand for heat. So just having TRVs won't be compliant, but it's nothing to do with whether or not there's a TRV in the same room as the stat...

 

[Blackspaven]

Sorry, was trying to simplify my understanding cos typing on my phone is a pita!!

 

[Howsie]

Where did you find your plumbers for the quotes?

 

[Blackspaven]

Mainly recommendations off Streetlife.

 

[Howsie]

Is that the only way you know?

 

[Blackspaven]

Asking people who have been happy with previous work? Whatever I say will be wrong so go ahead.

 

[Howsie]

Sorry I was making a joke wrt the song Street Life by Wendy Crawford.