Foreigners? I mean jobs.

[Rickster123]

Not worked on the cards for ages would break me paying that N.I nowadays.


really don't see any bonuses of being on the cards

im gonna find last weeks pay slip and tell you what tax and n.i I paid....

 

[Ray Stafford]

im gonna find last weeks pay slip and tell you what tax and n.i I paid....

I daren't look at mine. Just makes me angry.

 

[Rickster123]

290 quid tax
87 quid national insurance.

there are some pro's to it tho. There has to be!

 

[Rickster123]

I daren't look at mine. Just makes me angry.

I thought yours went into your Swiss bank account??

 

[Ray Stafford]

290 quid tax
87 quid national insurance.

Presumably the chancellor will be coming round to wash your van and cut your lawn for you?

 

[Ray Stafford]

I thought yours went into your Swiss bank account??

Pah! Got the corporation tax bill yesterday. <shudders>

 

[Billy Bob Bob]

Thats very open minded of you Keiran. If one of my staff set up in competition with me, weekend or not, that would be the end of that.

In fact, exactly that has just happened. Its a "breach of trust and confidence" and a clear conflict of interest, and the end of someone's career with us.

when my dad worked for BT(he was with them for 20 years)if they caught you installing phonelines out side of working for them,it was deemed a instant,sack able offence,they deemed that they trained you,you then take the urine by being in competition with them,so cant blame you Ray

 

[Rickster123]

I'd like to clarify I don't do private jobs. Infact I never work weekends. I'm knackered by Friday and can't be arsed with the grief of dealing with the general public.

 

[Rickster123]

Presumably the chancellor will be coming round to wash your van and cut your lawn for you?

Hes knocked a penny off a pint. But Malibu has gone up 47p. He's lost my vote.

 

[Billy Bob Bob]

I'd like to clarify I don't do private jobs. Infact I never work weekends. I'm knackered by Friday and can't be arsed with the grief of dealing with the general public.

i hate you,i have to work Saturday until 2 and do call outs

 

[Rickster123]

i hate you,i have to work Saturday until 2 and do call outs

And I never work past 4 during the week. Family meal at 5pm every day. That's how I roll.

 

[rpm]

290 quid tax
87 quid national insurance.

Something not right here ....
260 Tax and 173 NI. How come you pay less than me ?

 

[Rickster123]

Something not right here ....
260 Tax and 173 NI. How come you pay less than me ?

Coz I'm better looking...

 

[rpm]

Coz I'm better looking...

Leaving that aside .......

 

[Millsy 82]

I'd like to clarify I don't do private jobs. Infact I never work weekends. I'm knackered by Friday and can't be arsed with the grief of dealing with the general public.

I was like that when I was on the books. I worked hard enough Monday to Friday.

 

[Millsy 82]

290 quid tax
87 quid national insurance.

there are some pro's to it tho. There has to be!

Paid holidays. Relax when you finish work and not sit and do pricing etc. not have to chase money. There are quite a few pros and self employed lads who earn the same as you will pay the same tax and ni.

I though much prefer self employment.

 

[Rickster123]

Paid holidays. Relax when you finish work and not sit and do pricing etc. not have to chase money. There are quite a few pros and self employed lads who earn the same as you will pay the same tax and ni.

I though much prefer self employment.

yep, no gas safe fees, no acs costs, no van or van insurance, no fuel costs, paid holidays, sick pay, pension, power tools supplied, ppe supplied, no evenings spent pricing up jobs for time wasters, paid every Friday without fail. I'm happy with employment really.
Only thing I miss is my old transit van.

 

[Ray Stafford]

I'd like to clarify I don't do jobs. Infact I never work. I'm knackered by Monday lunchtime and can't be arsed with getting out of bed

Sounds like a good life Adam.

 

[Mike Jackson]

The problem with people doing foreigners on the cheap is it devalues the entire trade. I lost out on a full heating install not long after I started back self employed. I quoted a reasonable price but the guy the got the job quoted my materials cost and did the work over a couple of weekends. I realise it's possible that he could have really good terms but the chances are he was doing a foreigner and getting most, if not all, of his materials off the back of his van that he uses for his 9-5.

When I worked for eagaheat anyone caught doing a foreigner was supposed to be goonered. The best one was when the office received a call that the boiler that had been fitted over the weekend had stopped working. The customer had taken the number off the side of the van the lad fitting the boiler was driving. Shame the guy was not doing it through the company.

I have no problem with people doing work in their own time as long as they have PLI, Gas safe etc. and use their own transport. That's no different to me working a few extra hours then and fair competition.

 

[cr0ft]

In the example you give the guy is just stealing, it crosses that blurred line between what's morally acceptable and not. He's stealing stock from his employer and selling it. I would be calling the police for something like that tbh. The customer is buying stolen goods too but even though they probably know that nothing will be done about it I'm sure!

 

[macka09]

I think if the employees are getting enough side work to worry the boss, then the boss isn't doing his job very well.

 

[Millsy 82]

In the example you give the guy is just stealing, it crosses that blurred line between what's morally acceptable and not. He's stealing stock from his employer and selling it. I would be calling the police for something like that tbh. The customer is buying stolen goods too but even though they probably know that nothing will be done about it I'm sure!

I would say 9/10 people doing foreigners use their bosses stock. It is so easy to do though. I installed a full central heating system in a house I lived in and all the fittings, rad valves, clips, gas, solder etc was provided by the company I worked for. (I didn't even pay for the radiators but that was not through the company)

That to me is why anybody doing a foreigner would be gone in a shot.

I understand that there are people out there that are setting up for themselves who do work evenings and weekends and have all the costs but most of them still take stock off the bosses.

The old boy that taught me used to do a boiler every weekend (this was before you had to register them) and he used to build his stock up during the week then use it at the weekend. The boss found out because as mike said a customer took the number off the side of the van and couldn't get hold of him so phoned the company. That then made the boss stop all the lads using the vans outside of work and he got a warning (he was never going to get rid of him as he was the only gas installer they had)

 

[Millsy 82]

I think if the employees are getting enough side work to worry the boss, then the boss isn't doing his job very well.

Or the boss can't compete with people who are stealing materials, he also would have to make more money to replace stolen stock.

 

[Gray0689]

I would say 9/10 people doing foreigners use their bosses stock. It is so easy to do though. I installed a full central heating system in a house I lived in and all the fittings, rad valves, clips, gas, solder etc was provided by the company I worked for. (I didn't even pay for the radiators but that was not through the company)

That to me is why anybody doing a foreigner would be gone in a shot.

I understand that there are people out there that are setting up for themselves who do work evenings and weekends and have all the costs but most of them still take stock off the bosses.

The old boy that taught me used to do a boiler every weekend (this was before you had to register them) and he used to build his stock up during the week then use it at the weekend. The boss found out because as mike said a customer took the number off the side of the van and couldn't get hold of him so phoned the company. That then made the boss stop all the lads using the vans outside of work and he got a warning (he was never going to get rid of him as he was the only gas installer they had)

That's the most double standard message I've ever seen

 

[Millsy 82]

That's the most double standard message I've ever seen

Yeah I know lol.

Just saying that even if you do 1 foreigner how much you use and how the boss didn't know that I installed a heating system at his expense. I tried to get the HA to fit us radiators in every room as when we moved in there was a boiler and 2 rads in hallway and bathroom, this would of been passed to my company as they had the contract but they refused to do it. So I did try to do it right. Lol.

I very rarely did foreigners only for close family and friends and most of the times it was under an hour or 2 work like servicing and breakdowns so had to buy bits.