fully qualified plumber in two weeks.

[desrob]

The rest are on the way along with the part P or is that not an electrical qaulification. I presented my case and quite frankly you cant tar every body with the same brush, I take pride in my work and as such am doing ok amongst my peers.Yes, I have made my fair share of mistakes but never to the detriment of my customers.

defined scope,full scope part p is not a qualification.

 

[Plum Bob 66]

That is what I am doing and it comes with a qaulification otherwise I wouldnt be doing it if was of no value.

 

[PlumbBobBob]

it is only of value if you use it. after spending upwards of £500 on a tester and then join a recognised scheme at upwards of £400 pa to sign off your own work them you will be able to use it to it's full extent.

 

[Plum Bob 66]

Agreed steve, but isnt that the whole point of doing the qaulification to sign off your own work. At present I buddy up with a mate who has his part P defined scope.Say as an example a customer requires an electric shower fitting I do the plumbing he does the electrics to the unit. I would like to be competent and qaulified to do the whole fit and commision.

Bob

 

[GQuigley67]

is the Part P relevant in Scotland ?

 

[fagsanbooz]

Why does everyone seem to keep harping on about 'LEVEL 2', this is only a 'base' qualification! All 'Plumbers should endevour to complete 'LEVEL 3' or 'Advanced Craft' as in my old one. Why don't so called 'trainees' do the LEVEL 3? Too hard? Don't want anymore studying? Want to do something a bit quicker and 'easier'? All prof bodies state Level 3 should what all 'PLUMBERS' achieve and I agree, but, as far as I'm concerned you MUST be on the tools whilst doing them to call yourself a PLUMBER. Sorry to sound like a 'gumpy' but I really can't see how you can without both!!!!!!! Wouldn't call yourself a 'car mechanic' if you'd never worked in a garage with other experienced mechanics for a decent period of time, would you? Oh yes Mr Bloggs, were going to service your nice expensive car with a bloke who's done a few weeks training!!!! Yeah alright!!!

 

[moony]

nvq level 2 and level 3 in heating and vent - time served with a plumber and kitchen fitter who was gas safe reg - starting a bsc in building studies (construction management) in sept. do i think they have ruined the trade yes but not there fault - most are decent lads trying to get a decent career.

 

[GQuigley67]

as said before also a qualification doesnt mean your a good tradesman i know alot of guys been in the game for 15+ years and weren't really any good mainly because either a/ they were not interested anymore and b/ they'r dumb

 

[Resolute]

Why does everyone seem to keep harping on about 'LEVEL 2', this is only a 'base' qualification! All 'Plumbers should endevour to complete 'LEVEL 3' or 'Advanced Craft' as in my old one. Why don't so called 'trainees' do the LEVEL 3? Too hard? Don't want anymore studying? Want to do something a bit quicker and 'easier'? All prof bodies state Level 3 should what all 'PLUMBERS' achieve and I agree, but, as far as I'm concerned you MUST be on the tools whilst doing them to call yourself a PLUMBER. Sorry to sound like a 'gumpy' but I really can't see how you can without both!!!!!!! Wouldn't call yourself a 'car mechanic' if you'd never worked in a garage with other experienced mechanics for a decent period of time, would you? Oh yes Mr Bloggs, were going to service your nice expensive car with a bloke who's done a few weeks training!!!! Yeah alright!!!

I don't look at level 2 as being fully qualified, far from it. However it does show that you've a basic qualification. As to being fully qualified - I doubt many are as there are so many avenues to explore within plumbing and you be hard pushed to be qualified in all of them.

 

[tamz]

I have made my fair share of mistakes but never to the detriment of my customers.

You will undoubtedly have a ceiling down at some time

is the Part P relevant in Scotland ?

No, but it still needs signed off.

Why does everyone seem to keep harping on about 'LEVEL 2', this is only a 'base' qualification! All 'Plumbers should endevour to complete 'LEVEL 3' or 'Advanced Craft' as in my old one. Why don't so called 'trainees' do the LEVEL 3? Too hard? Don't want anymore studying? Want to do something a bit quicker and 'easier'? All prof bodies state Level 3 should what all 'PLUMBERS' achieve and I agree, but, as far as I'm concerned you MUST be on the tools whilst doing them to call yourself a PLUMBER. Sorry to sound like a 'gumpy' but I really can't see how you can without both!!!!!!! Wouldn't call yourself a 'car mechanic' if you'd never worked in a garage with other experienced mechanics for a decent period of time, would you? Oh yes Mr Bloggs, were going to service your nice expensive car with a bloke who's done a few weeks training!!!! Yeah alright!!!

Agree with this 100%. Level 3 is the minimum recognised qual in Scotland. Think it is more about the money tho hence so many tech cert only "plumbers" who will never be employable

as said before also a qualification doesnt mean your a good tradesman i know alot of guys been in the game for 15+ years and weren't really any good mainly because either a/ they were not interested anymore and b/ they'r dumb

If they had been at it for 15+ years you can be sure they "know" more than they let on.
Some guys just need led tho.

As to being fully qualified - I doubt many are as there are so many avenues to explore within plumbing and you be hard pushed to be qualified in all of them.

This is not really correct. It's an age thing.
The time however is undoubtedly coming when the trade will be split into sections like gas. More money for the so called "training" establishments.

 

[GQuigley67]

ok well I've got a question for you tamz regarding the signing off of electrics, my mates a sparky but works for another firm but is self employed, if I gave him some sparky work would he be able to sign it off ?

 

[Plum Bob 66]

Is that based one one your own ??

You will undoubtedly have a ceiling down at some time



No, but it still needs signed off.




Agree with this 100%. Level 3 is the minimum recognised qual in Scotland. Think it is more about the money tho hence so many tech cert only "plumbers" who will never be employable



If they had been at it for 15+ years you can be sure they "know" more than they let on.
Some guys just need led tho.



This is not really correct. It's an age thing.
The time however is undoubtedly coming when the trade will be split into sections like gas. More money for the so called "training" establishments.

 

[kirkgas]

Why does everyone seem to keep harping on about 'LEVEL 2', this is only a 'base' qualification! All 'Plumbers should endevour to complete 'LEVEL 3' or 'Advanced Craft' as in my old one. Why don't so called 'trainees' do the LEVEL 3? Too hard? Don't want anymore studying? Want to do something a bit quicker and 'easier'? All prof bodies state Level 3 should what all 'PLUMBERS' achieve and I agree, but, as far as I'm concerned you MUST be on the tools whilst doing them to call yourself a PLUMBER. Sorry to sound like a 'gumpy' but I really can't see how you can without both!!!!!!! Wouldn't call yourself a 'car mechanic' if you'd never worked in a garage with other experienced mechanics for a decent period of time, would you? Oh yes Mr Bloggs, were going to service your nice expensive car with a bloke who's done a few weeks training!!!! Yeah alright!!!

ok lets take a step further, why didnt you study and achieve technician Level, too hard for you? if some guys get level 2 then work damn hard and learn tons by doing it to make a wee life for their families what are they doing wrong, a lot of jobs we do now dont require technician or advanced level, nothing gets fixed now all things just get binned and renewed like for like, and these days how many people are required to design a full install of 20 whbs and wc's over 4 levels

 

[tamz]

ok well I've got a question for you tamz regarding the signing off of electrics, my mates a sparky but works for another firm but is self employed, if I gave him some sparky work would he be able to sign it off ?

If he is a member of Select he can self cert. Otherwise he needs to go the building control route. In reality i doesn't happen

 

[tamz]

Is that based one one your own ??

Do it long enough and it happens to everyone at some point.
The plumber who says he has never has a leak come through a ceiling is a liar.

 

[tamz]

ok lets take a step further, why didnt you study and achieve technician Level, too hard for you? if some guys get level 2 then work damn hard and learn tons by doing it to make a wee life for their families what are they doing wrong, a lot of jobs we do now dont require technician or advanced level, nothing gets fixed now all things just get binned and renewed like for like, and these days how many people are required to design a full install of 20 whbs and wc's over 4 levels

Out of curiosity Kirk. What level does your place offer as standard?

 

[kirkgas]

Out of curiosity Kirk. What level does your place offer as standard?

we only do gas, unvented, energy efficiency and moving into renewables

 

[tamz]

we only do gas, unvented, energy efficiency and moving into renewables

You are well out it then

 

[REDSAW]

Marion lol

i used to have a mate called marlon!

 

[Resolute]

This is not really correct. It's an age thing.
The time however is undoubtedly coming when the trade will be split into sections like gas. More money for the so called "training" establishments.

I appreciate and fully agree that time is the biggest teacher and there's no substitute for experience but there is definitely certain specialised areas in plumbing.

 

[tamz]

there is definitely certain specialised areas in plumbing.

As in?

 

[tamz]

i used to have a mate called marlon!

My first teenage fantasies were about a Marlon. Next door neighbour, probably about 25, with some set on her

I digress lol

 

[stevetheplumber]

you couldnt have completed the test pieces we had to do for a craft cert in 2weeks i only just finished them all in 3 years of day release and lots didnt

 

[Resolute]

As in?

I was thinking more along the industrial and renewables.

 

[REDSAW]

ok lets take a step further, why didnt you study and achieve technician Level, too hard for you? if some guys get level 2 then work damn hard and learn tons by doing it to make a wee life for their families what are they doing wrong, a lot of jobs we do now dont require technician or advanced level, nothing gets fixed now all things just get binned and renewed like for like, and these days how many people are required to design a full install of 20 whbs and wc's over 4 levels

i agree, this is where i am.
started in '77' on apprenticeship got sacked by my uncle.lol.
later did the nvq 2 & tech 3 and thought why do i need system planning for large projects, buisness planning, stock ordering?. unless i wanted a job in the offfice.
nvq 3 dont make you a better plumber than a nvq 2,
experience does.imo.

also, i disagree that a nvq 2 is a basic level and nvq 3 advanced, as your what the o.p is saying that there is no intermediate level. now c&g 2&3 i would say is a basic level off plumbing knowledge but not skill.imo.