Gas work for family

[tamz]

Insurance is a big one although it is not compulsory.

If you burn your mates house down i'm sure you will both have a laugh about it in the pub later..................NOT

Your ex friend will be on to claims direct but as long as you are living with your mother and your car is on HP you will be fine

Buckley

It happens and no amount of regulation or legislation will stop it. It is part if what is called "the black economy".

 

[fuzzy]

tamz explained it beautifully, and not trying to be a wise bum, dont forget to get insurnance cover if your working for friends and family for free, just in case it goes wrong through no fault of your doing and you need backup. Remember though that you wont get cover if you dont register with gas safe. It would seem the insurers work under different rules to HSE, slippery sods

so you admit i was right?

 

[Reg Man]

What a long thread: If you are employed to do gas work you have to be registered. If you do it for yourself or clearly for a friend or relative as a favour for no financial gain, you don't. In any event you have to be competent to carry out gas work. This is to comply with Gas regs. Additionally; boilers are covered under building regulations (Part L energy efficiency). If you fit a boiler you are required to register this work through building control. If you are registered with a competent person scheme (which includes Gas Safe Register, CORGI, APHCA) you can notify the works through the approved scheme. In any event Manufacturer's will need to be satisfied the appliance has been installed correctly and the benchmark book has been completed.

 

[fuzzy]

What a long thread: If you are employed to do gas work you have to be registered. If you do it for yourself or clearly for a friend or relative as a favour for no financial gain, you don't. In any event you have to be competent to carry out gas work. This is to comply with Gas regs. Additionally; boilers are covered under building regulations (Part L energy efficiency). If you fit a boiler you are required to register this work through building control. If you are registered with a competent person scheme (which includes Gas Safe Register, CORGI, APHCA) you can notify the works through the approved scheme. In any event Manufacturer's will need to be satisfied the appliance has been installed correctly and the benchmark book has been completed.

i know its a long thread but ive been debating this on my own for most of it. Many posted that i was wrong and have now gone missing

 

[Reg Man]

I think your right on the mark. There's no flexibitlity round the to be registered or not to be registered issue. The HSE view DIY gas work, as in your own property, you may get away with your mum, dad or sibilings, but anything else your on chancing it. The HSE look at personal gain, so if your mates made you a cup of tea on the boiler job, that could be construde as personal gain. A bit exagrarated. You definately won't get a away with fittings the boiler for free and charging for the wet work. Its know big deal to be registered any away, feel that GS register do very little for same money as CORGI, service is poor, magazine poor, tech line poor, web site poor, getting through to anyone poor. At least we all get left alone.

 

[fuzzy]

cheers reg man, not many have retured to say they now accept i was right???

 

[oldplumber]

rightmaybe in what you feel, but maybe not in the eyes of a judge, I wouldnt want to be the one testing your interpretation of the regs/law, but rather sad going on about it, didnt they let you join the playgroung football team in the past. time to agree to disagree this one and let everyone go their own way now isnt it

 

[Billy Bob Bob]

rightmaybe in what you feel, but maybe not in the eyes of a judge, I wouldnt want to be the one testing your interpretation of the regs/law, but rather sad going on about it, didnt they let you join the playgroung football team in the past. time to agree to disagree this one and let everyone go their own way now isnt it

i agree as i said from the beginning this is not how a court would interoperate the regs

 

[tamz]

The regs are quite clear if you read them with the accompanying notes. They are not that hard to interpret and any judges in any courts reading them would interpret them the same way following the guidance notes.

But.......They really should write things in plain English and avoid confusion.

Something like
Right. If you're fitting gas you need a ticket. If you work for someone it is on his ticket.
Work for your ma is ok, but if she makes you a T bone for the dinner that might be thought of as payment (in kind). Tell her you'll have mince as usual

 

[fuzzy]

rightmaybe in what you feel, but maybe not in the eyes of a judge, I wouldnt want to be the one testing your interpretation of the regs/law, but rather sad going on about it, didnt they let you join the playgroung football team in the past. time to agree to disagree this one and let everyone go their own way now isnt it

That sounds like a "i know im wrong so can we stop talking bout it, im running out of excuses and am now clutching at straws". "It must be because he was bad at football" , thats how you make your case, lol
Even with the official interpretation of the regs in front of you you deny it. "oh let a judge sort it out" classic. If your relying on a judge every time you dont understand a reg it must be hard to go about your work

 

[oldplumber]

Rules are open to interpretation and they are abused regularly which leads to the problems we have. Some on this forum are always bemoaning the fact you have to be registered with a ruling body and others object to having to retake exams to continue working. My own opinion is that it should be compulsory to be registered and insured to protect both tthe public who we work for and protect the industry in general from those who wish to take short cuts and avoid having to pay out in order to carry out work in the gas sector. Alot of thingscould be improved if gas products were only available to those proven to be able to do the work , which sadly wont happen unless there is in the future some horrendous accident leading to a large death toll then forcing to government to reconsider its options. As as to the rights and wrongs of the rules as they stand, they are opern to interpretation as they stand and like I said you may be right as they are but if something goes wrong badly then they wil probably be scrutinised and you may well find yourself in the firing line. Hence why Iwouldnt take the risk and am registered by gas safe and wouldnt have it anyother way, end of rant now and no sarcasm as it doesnt really work here, especially as one sees the damage that can occur thats currently being seen in the news

 

[Reg Man]

There's a slight clue in my user name as to why I think , I ,know what I am talking about. Its got nothing to do with play ground football.