& the public wonder how it is that people are still dying of CO from gas appliances !!
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I made it clear to her how unbelievably dangerous this was. No way a gas engineer did that.
3 young kids in the house too.
I should add the cap on the gas is obviously what I did. This boiler was fully in use.
3 young kids in the house too.
I should add the cap on the gas is obviously what I did. This boiler was fully in use.
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IDCHAPPY
Blimey, 🙁
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Ermintrude
Have a similar one. One of our lads went to friends house she's got kids bbu been off for 6 weeks or so. LL trying to get her try for green steal. He went as he offered to replace thermocouple FOC. He called me as he was a little confused how the fire worked, it was flue less on front of Bermuda. Bbu failed spillage told him to cap and leave . No cp12 and now LL man is going tomorrow to reconnect. ......... Told Tennant to record him doing it as he said it's fine.
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Toxic Ted
Watching with interest.Have a similar one. One of our lads went to friends house she's got kids bbu been off for 6 weeks or so. LL trying to get her try for green steal. He went as he offered to replace thermocouple FOC. He called me as he was a little confused how the fire worked, it was flue less on front of Bermuda. Bbu failed spillage told him to cap and leave . No cp12 and now LL man is going tomorrow to reconnect. ......... Told Tennant to record him doing it as he said it's fine.
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Ermintrude
I'm actually inspector for HSE
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Mike Jackson
Came across this beauty today.
Not sure how the thermostat works with just one wire to it. Seems to be a two port missing as well. So that's 3 safety devices missing/not connected then. Temperature can only be set by the boiler stat.
IMG_20140912_134854170 by Mike Jackson1, on Flickr
Well that looks safe then. The single wire coming off goes to the stat on the cylinder. Not entirely sure what it achieves.
IMG_20140912_134858640 by Mike Jackson1, on Flickr
Yes that speedfit is D1, the discharge from the prv on the heating tees into this as well. There is no tundish and this pipe rises before discharging through the fascia board at high level. Guess as there's no D2 a fall isn't required.
IMG_20140912_134909794 by Mike Jackson1, on Flickr
IMG_20140912_134914948 by Mike Jackson1, on Flickr
IMG_20140912_134928757 by Mike Jackson1, on Flickr
This has got to be the worst unvented installation I've seen in a long time. Called out because it was tripping the electrics. This was due to the pump leaking but I refused to just change the pump. Going back tomorrow to discuss options with the house holder. Going to be serious money to put this right, looking like a couple of days time I've flushed the system as well.
Not sure how the thermostat works with just one wire to it. Seems to be a two port missing as well. So that's 3 safety devices missing/not connected then. Temperature can only be set by the boiler stat.
IMG_20140912_134854170 by Mike Jackson1, on FlickrWell that looks safe then. The single wire coming off goes to the stat on the cylinder. Not entirely sure what it achieves.
IMG_20140912_134858640 by Mike Jackson1, on FlickrYes that speedfit is D1, the discharge from the prv on the heating tees into this as well. There is no tundish and this pipe rises before discharging through the fascia board at high level. Guess as there's no D2 a fall isn't required.
IMG_20140912_134909794 by Mike Jackson1, on FlickrIMG_20140912_134914948 by Mike Jackson1, on FlickrIMG_20140912_134928757 by Mike Jackson1, on FlickrThis has got to be the worst unvented installation I've seen in a long time. Called out because it was tripping the electrics. This was due to the pump leaking but I refused to just change the pump. Going back tomorrow to discuss options with the house holder. Going to be serious money to put this right, looking like a couple of days time I've flushed the system as well.
Hey mike that's a beezer of install that. I've seen the odd single cable like that only when sparks don't have 3core n earth so the put in 2 core n earth and a single . But that must be a new model stat with a bi directional cable lol ... its a good job you attended as youl sort the mess.
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happyflyer
Mike,
This is where push-fit has brought us, its made joiner and plasters think they are plumbers of joe public
please tell me a plumber didn't do that above, where will it all end
This is where push-fit has brought us, its made joiner and plasters think they are plumbers of joe public
please tell me a plumber didn't do that above, where will it all end
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Mike Jackson
I can't do that I'm afraid. This install was done by a local gas safe registered guy. I assume the condense pipe from the boiler in the kitchen just discharging onto the concrete was down to him as well.
ive said this before the three downfalls of this industry were plastic waste n soil ,combi boilers and pushfit
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happyflyer
Mike,
I agree with you all the way except the soil pipe, the cast iron alternative is too awesome to even consider, just imagine going to the merchants in your van and putting the soil fitting in for half a dozen houses you would need two trips, I know what you mean anyway, I once went up a triple extension ladder with a ladle of molten lead and a blow lamp to keep the lead liquid and poured it into a CI offset past a gutter, only on a listed building would you do this today, but no ladder, softies need a scaffold, these guys today don't have a clue what went on, three points of contact my bum, I am still here to tell the tale, I will write a book one day and burn it.
The Combi boiler and push fit, burn them with my book
Old Baldy Git
I am not convinced the downfall of the industry is down to new materiala and techniques I would attribute it to the fact that it is known who put the abomination in but they are still out there aloud to do it again. He should be struck off and have his qualifications / registrations revoked.
Rogue installers / service providers and cowboys qualified or otherwise are the problem not materials and techniques. We need a standards and regs policing body with real powers to condemn instalations over defects of all kinds and hold those responsible to account.
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happyflyer
Sol,
I think everyone will agree with your sentiments, alas its never going to happen
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happyflyer
thats never going to happen the gas side is regulated to within an inch of its life and the most popular page in the gas installer mag is the bad installs page
all regulation does is cost the good guys more and give the cowboys even more profit
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As true as it is there'd still be cowboys avoiding the system and we'd all end up having to pay for an inspection putting our prices up for the privilege just because we do the job right
I agree no further regulation for gas or any other plumbing is required. Just need to police it. My comments were as a reply to the post showing an abysmal unvented instalation aparently completed by a gsr still trading in the area. How is this allowed to continue. What are the regs good for if they cant even keep registered guys to maintain the standard or allow guys who cant work to the required standard to be registered in the first place.
Speaking of regulations and cowboys. A self certified install that had a completly unclipped flue with sections that werent even screwed together. There was two sections of flue that were lying in the loft that had obviously been cut too short and had to be discarded. The boiler was in a bedroom. The return iso had been left almost fully closed so it had leaked and scaled up and the pump was burned out.
The prv was left open out the bottom of the boiler. Probably because the boiler is in the middle of the house and they couldnt be bothered to run any pipe.
Was only put in in 2010.
Looked up the company that signed it off to get them to remedy and theyre not gas safe registered anymore and the limited company is getting liquidated as far as i can tell.
So will the customer get any recompense. Even if they are gas safe then all they have to do is rectify their mistakes and tgey get left alone. Surely they should have a fine or some other disincentive from shoddy and/or dangerous work. Otherwise they can go round doing good knows what and only having to rectify it when they get caught.
Customer, is rightly, pretty disillusioned with the system. He doesnt seem to be protected at all and will just have to pay out to remedy himself i imagine . He bought the house 3 years ago with the install in already .
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