How many people are thinking of doing renewables this year

[unguided1]

As the title says what are your thoughts this question is for every one or are you already doing them

 

[fuzzy]

C&G does cover commissioning. Once again i can only point out the few choices we have, i seem to be on my own thinking the 2399 is a good option but the other option of not bothering with them opens the door to more people to do them, we cannot then complian of unfair competition?

 

[GQuigley67]

1 regulation body which covers every aspect of the installation should be in place, but is that ever going to happen after all alot of office workers will be out of jobs ? and what is going to happen to all the other bodys ??

 

[fuzzy]

You're dead right tackleburger most of the problems with heat pumps are because they are undersized and not commisioned properly a manufacturers course would cover this whereas BPEC and LOGIC courses wont cover the commisioning side of things.

but 2399 does and is related directly to national occupational standards

another point to note about the 4 year training, the new quals you can choose to have a renewable option or gas, if you chose 1 you can always do the other after. there is so much in the plumbing diploma already we couldnt possibly add more

 

[fuzzy]

1 regulation body which covers every aspect of the installation should be in place, but is that ever going to happen after all alot of office workers will be out of jobs ? and what is going to happen to all the other bodys ??

no idea but it would make things better for everyone

 

[unguided1]

Thes bodies are all appointed and why should anyone loose their jobs for example you could have one body with a gassafe section, oil section and so on there is no reason why anyone would become unemployed also another thing is when the government say they are talking to industry experts, who are these so called experts, cos you can guarantee they are not installers at the sharp end of the industry

 

[kay-jay]

1 regulation body which covers every aspect of the installation should be in place, but is that ever going to happen after all alot of office workers will be out of jobs ? and what is going to happen to all the other bodys ??

they'd have to retrain as plumbers:freak:

 

[Hybrid]

I'd settle for a regulator for work dealing with combustion (gas, oil, soild fuel) and another dealing with plumbing (Water regs, unvented, solar etc)

Fuzzy is right however that qualifications have become undervalued. Whether or not you pay to join a regulating body shouldn't be a measure of competence.

 

[SafeGasInstall]

we will end up spending more time on training then work ,and spending more £ on training/licences/insurance then tools ....just seems crazy
can we not just get on with our work and have a good weekend off !

 

[villa_tom]

we will end up spending more time on training then work ,and spending more £ on training/licences/insurance then tools ....just seems crazy
can we not just get on with our work and have a good weekend off !

My thoughts exactly Stan.

 

[fuzzy]

i like the weekend off yeh, lol.
Im not sure what more I can add, i feel we are hypocritical, me included at times, we want it easier, cheaper, without cowboys, available only to the ones skilled but without having to do a qual etc etc. I dont see it being cleared up anytime soon, so we have to make the most of it

 

[gaspastemania]

Theirs to many builders doing plumbing work now along with the public doing all thier own small works. Concern i have is do you need a plumbing qaulification to do ground source or solar? ( couldnt be bothered to read all threads so apologise if been mentioned already).If you dont then again anyone can do these courses leaving us high n dry.

 

[Hybrid]

I think we're just a bit frustrated that the regulation we all signed up to in good faith hasn't been enforced. These bodies have taken our money and all they've given us is various plastic cards.

If they clamped down on the building regs, gas regs and water regs it would weed out 99.9% of cowboys. As it is no-one gives a monkeys.
I lost a full refurb job once because I insisted on putting check valves on the supplies to the bidet, outside tap and washing machine and I wouldn't notch a joist to accommodate a 50mm waste. That's not counting the jobs i've lost because I wouldn't site a boiler where the terminal clearance was insufficient.

I'm sick to the back teeth of playing by the rules.

 

[gaspastemania]

I',m wras regulated and to be honest cant see the logic of that ticket at all .

 

[unguided1]

Ialso have no qualifications in heatpumps, and I am still not MCS accredited, I have no QMS and I am not paying REAL £200 a year, However I am installing MCS accredited heat pumps and signning them off on to the MCS register, therefore I am living proof that the MCS is not fit for purpose No I am not a cowboy, but because of the insistance of this rediculous idea that renewables should be a seperate industry I am going to fight this the only way I know by refusing to join it and carry on the way I have been, there fore in the eyes of the governing bodies I must be a cowboy, Yeehaw!!!!!!!!!!!

I have to say that I am dissapointed that more people are not up in arms about the above statement. Yes all of the above is true and what Fuzzy has been saying is quite right the need for trainning is essential, asI have said before I am inspecting MCS accredited engineers work and some of the fundamental mistakes that I am finding made by experianced heating engineers does cause dismay, Also the fact that the bodies that are regulating the the MCS are more concerend that you follow the paperwork side of an installation than the actual problems of a heatpump installaion or the system or property that the heatpump is installed onto.

 

[fuzzy]

Theirs to many builders doing plumbing work now along with the public doing all thier own small works. Concern i have is do you need a plumbing qaulification to do ground source or solar? ( couldnt be bothered to read all threads so apologise if been mentioned already).If you dont then again anyone can do these courses leaving us high n dry.

yes you have to be a plumber

 

[MickW]

The RHPP grant has been announced today and runs from Aug 1st to March next year, so unless a small business is already accredited, there is not likely to be enough time to get accredited, do an installation and get the claim in before the cut off date.

Plenty of time, of course, for the big boys to pretty much charge what they want, because there are virtually no small businesses to give them any competition.

 

[GQuigley67]

its a sad state of affairs really, because the customers are only going to pay huge prices and will take them even longer to make their money back

 

[MickW]

its a sad state of affairs really, because the customers are only going to pay huge prices and will take them even longer to make their money back

Yes, back in boiler scrappage days, the utilities were on average one third more expensive than independents and in some parts of the country 60% more expensive.

 

[That Extra Mile]

Yes, back in boiler scrappage days, the utilities were on average one third more expensive than independents and in some parts of the country 60% more expensive.

That'll make it even more difficult for anyone to justify the extra costs involved in installing renewables, even with the financial incentives. The market may never get going.

 

[markfxy]

yes you have to be a plumber

No you don't have to be a plumber to do any of these courses any tramp can walk in off the streets and walk out with a card proving their qualified to install renewables:cheesy:

 

[bazo6557]

[Ialso have no qualifications in heatpumps, and I am still not MCS accredited, I have no QMS and I am not paying REAL £200 a year, However I am installing MCS accredited heat pumps and signning them off on to the MCS register, therefore I am living proof that the MCS is not fit for purpose No I am not a cowboy, but because of the insistance of this rediculous idea that renewables should be a seperate industry I am going to fight this the only way I know by refusing to join it and carry on the way I have been, there fore in the eyes of the governing bodies I must be a cowboy, Yeehaw!!!!!!!!!!!/QUOTE]

correct me if I'm wrong but as far as I'm aware the customer does not get the feed back tarriff if you are not mcs registered

 

[CES]

[Ialso have no qualifications in heatpumps, and I am still not MCS accredited, I have no QMS and I am not paying REAL £200 a year, However I am installing MCS accredited heat pumps and signning them off on to the MCS register, therefore I am living proof that the MCS is not fit for purpose No I am not a cowboy, but because of the insistance of this rediculous idea that renewables should be a seperate industry I am going to fight this the only way I know by refusing to join it and carry on the way I have been, there fore in the eyes of the governing bodies I must be a cowboy, Yeehaw!!!!!!!!!!!/QUOTE]

correct me if I'm wrong but as far as I'm aware the customer does not get the feed back tarriff if you are not mcs registered

The "Feed In Tariff" is for Solar PV, The RHPP announced today is for heat pumps,solar thermal and biomass etc. There has been no statement on what the RHI (Renewable Heat Incentive" payments will be for Domestic customers when it kicks off in 2012 either way its not going to make any difference as who is going to spend money on a technology that you don't know what you may get back for adopting early. So much for market stimulation!.... another good idea totally wrecked by Bureaucratic idiots you wouldn't know a "renewable technology" if it bit them on the backside.

 

[quality]

yes you have to be a plumber

How do you define a plumber or is it just some who can do the job with insurance ?

 

[fuzzy]

How do you define a plumber or is it just some who can do the job with insurance ?

someone who i qualified to at least nvq2 standard, there is often a get out clause though were they say, or somebody with extensive experience following professional discusion. ie "can you do it or what?" and "do you have the money?"

 

[tamz]

someone who i qualified to at least nvq2 standard, there is often a get out clause though were they say, or somebody with extensive experience following professional discusion. ie "can you do it or what?" and "do you have the money?"

I think you're on the money there Fuzzy lol