Illegal hot water tank install

[nick.batchelor]

Just had a dodgy builder install a hot water tank using a plumber who isn't G3 certified. They then got g3 gas Safe registered engineer commission it, but it doesn't meet building regs (wrong discharge pipe, plastic not metal) and he didn't register it with building control. Any ideas who I can report this guy to? Gas Safe aren't interested as it didn't break gas legislation (though they are going after the builder for illegal gas installation).


Thanks.

 

[Riley]

In response I’m not having a go at you but a little respect please, as you’ve realised, you need relevant training to understand these facets from the pipework and sizing all the way down to the necessary commissioning and notification documentation. You saying you understand the principles is like me saying I understand what keeps a plane in the air however an aviation engineer I am not

 

[TMHM]

It’s when you start adding things like “professionals”. We get a lot of engineers on here who think they are holier than thou and think they can’t be touched and supposedly know how to turn their hand to anything. Pure and simply we all have to do and renew our qualifications to ensure that we are up to speed with current legislation so why should these engineers be allowed to think that they are above the law, which is essentially what they do. I’m not saying that all plumbers are the same in terms of quality but the governing bodies could do so much more to educate the public as much as have a go heroes as to who they need for the job and the qualifications that they require.

My use of the term professional was merely to define someone that was in the business of plumbing as an occupation, rather than a mere amateur home owner such as myself.
As I said I wasn’t having a dig. Although I am sure we can all agree that the quality of work carried out by professionals in all occupations varies immensely

 

[Chuck]

And that’s how you poke the bears. If you’d had the necessary training and installation experience you’d have known the rules re notification. Being an engineer does not give you the right to do what you like and bypass licenses to work. Competence is key and you’ve proved you didn’t have it

Remind me, what were the rules for notification of replacement of an existing hot water systems in 1989?

 

[Riley]

That’s not really the point I’m making chuck this is an open forum and people skim read threads as you know just looking for the information they want to read. As per the poster they haven’t said whether it was vented or unvented and I may be wrong but if it’s unvented these have been notifiable for donkeys years

 

[TMHM]

Vented

Don’t tar everyone with the same brush.

If you go down that route why not make this forum only accessible to professional plumbers!

 

[Riley]

That’s not the point and it wasn’t a dig at you my friend. We have numerous people with 0 experience ask a question, then ask it another way because they don’t like the answer then ask it again because we will still not give them the info they want. Sometimes it’s best (legal) to have a pro in. In your instance you are absolutely fine venteds only became notifiable relatively recently

 

[TMHM]

That’s not the point and it wasn’t a dig at you my friend. We have numerous people with 0 experience ask a question, then ask it another way because they don’t like the answer then ask it again because we will still not give them the info they want. Sometimes it’s best (legal) to have a pro in. In your instance you are absolutely fine venteds only became notifiable relatively recently

I understand entirely. Being heavily involved in another forum, it happens all too regularly... also the same Q repeated ad nauseam.
I have also run a business for 35 years and have had my fair share of “customers” asking lots of q’s and then, armed with the info, going elsewhere with the spec, ‘cos it’s cheaper. Or those that let you spend three days on job then complain ‘cos “my mate could have done that quicker and cheaper”. Or indeed having to spend three days on a one day job to fix the customers cock up!
These fora are to help peeps, and I will continue to ask advice, and I don’t mind if the answer is “ it’s not as simple as that - yu need to sort out flow rates/pressure drop/ run lengths - please call in a qualified plumber.” That’s why I ask the “Professionals”

 

[Riley]

I understand entirely. Being heavily involved in another forum, it happens all too regularly... also the same Q repeated ad nauseam.
I have also run a business for 35 years and have had my fair share of “customers” asking lots of q’s and then, armed with the info, going elsewhere with the spec, ‘cos it’s cheaper. Or those that let you spend three days on job then complain ‘cos “my mate could have done that quicker and cheaper”. Or indeed having to spend three days on a one day job to fix the customers cock up!
These fora are to help peeps, and I will continue to ask advice, and I don’t mind if the answer is “ it’s not as simple as that - yu need to sort out flow rates/pressure drop/ run lengths - please call in a qualified plumber.” That’s why I ask the “Professionals”

Wish more people were like yourself

 

[TMHM]

Wish more people were like yourself

Competence is key and you’ve proved you didn’t have it

 

[Riley]

Ah but you’ve proven yourself to be a reasonable “engineer” rather than the “it’s not rocket science” type

 

[sammathias]

Original op can we see photos of the full cylinder and associating pipework?

 

[WC1]

If its all up to spec surely it's no bother to get a g3 in to give it a service Of course there is a cost but that should be minimal if it's all good. Peace of mind for everyone. And adds value when the house is sold.

 

[Riley]

If its all up to spec surely it's no bother to get a g3 in to give it a service Of course there is a cost but that should be minimal if it's all good. Peace of mind for everyone. And adds value when the house is sold.

Agreed but I think this shouldn’t detract from those persons installing illegally. It does nothing to disincentivise them that someone will just come along afterwards and sort it to a standard. There is no comeback when there should be

 

[SimonG]

This makes no sense mate.

It's the attack of Thomas Watt