is an ECV actually mainly used as a Service Valve ???

[Dean Williams]

Just need some clarification as to this, if you have a new meter fitted the ECV is used as a service valve , if you need to carry out work on the domestic system you use the ECV as a service valve ..... is the ECV's most common use A SERVICE VALVE ???????

 

[snowhead]

E.C.V.
How many times in it's life does it get used as that, probably Zero.
So it's main use must be as you suggest.

 

[ShaunCorbs]

Yes but it's for emergency for a home owner / tenant to use incase the have a leak etc

 

[Dean Williams]

Thank you Snowhead and ShaunCorbs for your reply's to my Question , this is eventually going to lead to a more in-depth question relating to the gas safety regulations (installations and use) regulations 1998 but i wanted to see if any other gas engineers had any other comments about the ECV definition first, as for your comments you are both completely right about the ECV ......a gas engineer would hopefully not require an EMERGENCY cut off valve ...lol and his only use for this valve would be as a service valve but on the other hand the householder (if not gas safe registered of course) would only use this as a emergency cut off valve .
and now for my next question :-
If you were told to "close any service valve which controlled the supply of gas to the gas meter.......and did not control the supply of gas to any other primary meter........ which valve would that be ??

 

[ShaunCorbs]

For what effect ?

If it's a safety issue turn the ecv off and cap or disc the meter if customer gives you the nod

If no call transport and report the fault

 

[Dean Williams]

For what effect ?

If it's a safety issue turn the ecv off and cap or disc the meter if customer gives you the nod

If no call transport and report the fault

No it's not a safety issue it's a straight forward meter removal job because the property is not occupied and the owner does not want to pay the standing charge for the meter

 

[ShaunCorbs]

No it's not a safety issue it's a straight forward meter removal job because the property is not occupied and the owner does not want to pay the standing charge for the meter

As the meter isn't property of the house holder contact national grid (not on the emergency number) or his supplier

 

[Dean Williams]

As the meter isn't property of the house holder contact national grid (not on the emergency number) or his supplier

lets have the scenario that you actually are working for National Grid or "Cadent" as they are now called and you are carrying out work to comply with regulation 16 section 3 (a) (i) of the aforesaid gas regulations

 

[ShaunCorbs]

lets have the scenario that you actually are working for National Grid or "Cadent" as they are now called and you are carrying out work to comply with regulation 16 section 3 (a) (i) of the aforesaid gas regulations

Cap ecv and label also cap supply pipe

 

[Dean Williams]

Cap ecv and label also cap supply pipe

when you say cap supply pipe !!!!!! what are you referring to there ???????????????? and why would you do that at this stage ??????????

 

[Dean Williams]

when you say cap supply pipe !!!!!! what are you referring to there ???????????????? and why would you do that at this stage ??????????

 

[Last Plumber]

i wanted to see if any other gas engineers had any other comments about the ECV definition

It is a valve for isolating the Gas supply to a property, (normally), including the primary meter and associated pipe work and regulator. It has not always been referred to as an ECV. Hope this answers you first query!

 

[Last Plumber]

If you were told to "close any service valve which controlled the supply of gas to the gas meter...and did not control the supply of gas to any other primary meter.. which valve would that be ??

It would be the valve directly before the Gas meter you were turning off.

 

[ShaunCorbs]

when you say cap supply pipe !!!!!! what are you referring to there ???????????????? and why would you do that at this stage ??????????

Right stop beating around the bush what's gone on / full story please

And you asked that's how they would do it

Supply pipe would be the pipe going to your appliance (copper pipe)

 

[snowhead]

when you say cap supply pipe !!!!!! what are you referring to there ???????????????? and why would you do that at this stage ??????????

Assuming 3 (a) applies, i followed by ii applies, as per Shaun's reply.

 

[Dean Williams]

right .....whats really happening is i am taking National Grid or Cadent as they are now known to task "also known as the "ombudsman" for digging the road up outside my property and disconnecting my gas supply..... they say it had to be done to comply with the statutory instrument 1998 2451 to comply with regulation 16 (3) (b) ant they were legally obliged to do this in line with the Health and Safety Executives guidelines ..... my augment is that this regulation states that that if "ANY" service valve which controls the gas to that meter and does not control the supply of gas to any other primary meter "and" the outlet of the ECV is sealed with an appropriate fitting "and" any live pipe in the premises are clearly marked that the pipe contains gas then no further action is required .......grateful for any comments

 

[ShaunCorbs]

Yep that's standard as they don't want you stealing gas

You could just buy a meter set and install it your self and this would be unchecked as your house on there system would say no gas

 

[Dean Williams]

(3) Where a primary meter is removed, the person who last supplied gas through the meter before removal shall—

(a)where the meter is not forthwith re-installed or replaced by another meter—

(i)close any service valve which controlled the supply of gas to that meter and did not control the supply of gas to any other primary meter; and

(ii)seal the outlet of the emergency control with an appropriate fitting; and

(iii)clearly mark any live gas pipe in the premises in which the meter was installed to the effect that the pipe contains gas; and

(b)where the meter has not been re-installed or replaced by another meter before the expiry of the period of 12 months beginning with the date of removal of the meter and there is no such service valve as is mentioned in sub-paragraph (a)(i) above, ensure that the service pipe or service pipework for those premises is disconnected as near as is reasonably practicable to the main or storage vessel and that any part of the pipe or pipework which is not removed is sealed at both ends with the appropriate fitting.

 

[Dean Williams]

Shaun
you can not throw in gas stealing into the equation lol.......its health and safety regulations ,,,,, the police deal with criminal matters lol

 

[ShaunCorbs]

Shaun
you can not throw in gas stealing into the equation lol.....its health and safety regulations ,,,,, the police deal with criminal matters lol

Its as simple as this

It's there supply they can do what ever they want with it

 

[Dean Williams]

and also there are more people stealing gas with a meter in there house than them without a meter lol

 

[ShaunCorbs]

and also there are more people stealing gas with a meter in there house than them without a meter lol

Yes but these people are still on the list and will get caught out due to inspections and meter readings

 

[Dean Williams]

they carnt do what they want with it , they also have to comply with the law

 

[Last Plumber]

right ...whats really happening is i am taking National Grid or Cadent as they are now known to task "also known as the "ombudsman" for digging the road up outside my property and disconnecting my gas supply... they say it had to be done to comply with the statutory instrument 1998 2451 to comply with regulation 16 (3) (b) ant they were legally obliged to do this in line with the Health and Safety Executives guidelines ... my augment is that this regulation states that that if "ANY" service valve which controls the gas to that meter and does not control the supply of gas to any other primary meter "and" the outlet of the ECV is sealed with an appropriate fitting "and" any live pipe in the premises are clearly marked that the pipe contains gas then no further action is required ...grateful for any comments

I think they're looking at 3b.
Is it over 12 months since a meter was attached to the service ?

 

[ShaunCorbs]

they carnt do what they want with it , they also have to comply with the law

They can as it's within the law, you've told them you don't want gas anymore so they've removed the meter and capped the service and now there disconnecting your supply

All within there right to do so