Let’s talk politics!!

[Harvest Fields]

Any views on today’s events with the PM

 

[townfanjon]

bleeding had enough .
We have played it all wrong from day 1 ,
The firms and businesses that we inport from within the EU WANT our business fact !!, they wont want to lay workers off and close down their firms/businesses etc
Tons more paperwork yes , but its only what happened before .
We are leaving , you are getting fec all .
IMO it will all fold in a few years without us anyway

 

[rpm]

Any views on today’s events with the PM

What`s happening with the Private Messages now then? Have I missed something?

 

[Welder]

As a business, Brexit will hurt both us & you, our customers, and we cannot escape from that. Many of the big corporates saw the UK as a bit of business haven previously but that confidence is now fading away. They are also now piling on the prices and literally cashing in on the uncertainty... bless 'em.

Even if we ended up staying, a lot of damage has been done to the UK because it has split people - families & friendships - so very badly. IMHO what we need to do is go back but of course we can't because you cannot unlearn what you didn't know!

The one thing we have learned is that we were ALL well and truly rogered up hill and down dale by privileged nonces who have ALL benefitted enormously at our expense - no change there then.

Like Town, I am heartily sick of hearing of it and all the biased views broadcast.

If anyone wants a laugh, rather cruely, Andy Serkis (Gollam) via the independant has done a spoof Theresa May. It's fantastic - prescious

 

[SimonG]

All this carry on is on the verge of collapsing democracy.

Oftec advise their engineers not to discuss politics or religion.

I won't let it affect my relationship with my friends or family though.

I don't trust any politician, they're just a good example of the phrase power corrupts. All out to line their pockets and feck the little man.

Dump the lot of them and start again. But it would only be a matter of time before you're back to square one.

 

[Last Plumber]

I can see us drifting back to days of 'The Last Kingdom'.
Simon is right with the comment about democracy.

I think the Politicians play a dangerous game at the moment.

 

[Welder]

All this carry on is on the verge of collapsing democracy.

Oftec advise their engineers not to discuss politics or religion.

I won't let it affect my relationship with my friends or family though.

I don't trust any politician, they're just a good example of the phrase power corrupts. All out to line their pockets and feck the little man.

Dump the lot of them and start again. But it would only be a matter of time before you're back to square one.

The trouble with politics these days is that those in it see it now as a job not a vocation/calling. When it's done just for the money rather than the 'public good' or to try to make things better, it simply gets worse as we are witnessing.

 

[Harvest Fields]

As a business, Brexit will hurt both us & you, our customers, and we cannot escape from that. Many of the big corporates saw the UK as a bit of business haven previously but that confidence is now fading away. They are also now piling on the prices and literally cashing in on the uncertainty... bless 'em.

Even if we ended up staying, a lot of damage has been done to the UK because it has split people - families & friendships - so very badly. IMHO what we need to do is go back but of course we can't because you cannot unlearn what you didn't know!

The one thing we have learned is that we were ALL well and truly rogered up hill and down dale by privileged nonces who have ALL benefitted enormously at our expense - no change there then.

Like Town, I am heartily sick of hearing of it and all the biased views broadcast.

If anyone wants a laugh, rather cruely, Andy Serkis (Gollam) via the independant has done a spoof Theresa May. It's fantastic - prescious

And if we stay in the EU it would make us weaker than if we had left with a no deal.

 

[Harvest Fields]

All this carry on is on the verge of collapsing democracy.

Oftec advise their engineers not to discuss politics or religion.

I won't let it affect my relationship with my friends or family though.

I don't trust any politician, they're just a good example of the phrase power corrupts. All out to line their pockets and feck the little man.

Dump the lot of them and start again. But it would only be a matter of time before you're back to square one.

I sent this to my family group this morning.

Can anyone please explain how Teresa May is about to go and fight against a vote of no confidence when she is just trying to do what the people want? If she loses then surely this just tells the whole of England that it doesn’t matter what we say or want and there is no point in voting as they will just do what they want anyway?

 

[Scott_D]

I sent this to my family group this morning.

Can anyone please explain how Teresa May is about to go and fight against a vote of no confidence when she is just trying to do what the people want? If she loses then surely this just tells the whole of England that it doesn’t matter what we say or want and there is no point in voting as they will just do what they want anyway?

Are the other politicians saying someone else will get a better deal?
Did anyone know before this started that we couldn’t just leave without being shafted by the EU

 

[SimonG]

The country voted to leave the EU. It was a close vote, but the out vote won.

There should be no back stabbing or trying to score political points. The countries democratically elected politicians should have come together to ensure we left in the best position possible.

But no. Conservatives are up their own arsed, that moron corby thinks it will get him to number 10 and the rest just want there 15 minutes of fame on the TV.

We are the laughing stock of the whole world.

 

[Harvest Fields]

Are the other politicians saying someone else will get a better deal?
Did anyone know before this started that we couldn’t just leave without being shafted by the EU

Don’t think they know what they want after the vote of no confidence, but they are moaning about the deal we are getting. If she loses tonight I believe government will do a u turn and we will not leave the EU making us weaker as a country and in a worse position. I expected us to get a bad deal. When does anyone get a good deal when leaving an organisation? Short turn hurt for a long term gain.

 

[Harvest Fields]

We are the laughing stock of the whole world.[/QUOTE]
We will not be in 20 years time after we have left.

 

[Welder]

Are the other politicians saying someone else will get a better deal?
Did anyone know before this started that we couldn’t just leave without being shafted by the EU

Q1 - Of course/not (strike out whichever you fancy...)
It's just about Corbyn getting his 15 minutes of fame before he takes his time honoured turn of screwing things up but blaming others...

Q2 - No one knew anything as leaving was never really considered. It was all about Cameron reinforcing his popularity and understanding squat about how people were really feeling (nothing changes) or teh consequences of his 'can't lose' referendumb (1)...

 

[Harvest Fields]

Q1 - Of course/not (strike out whichever you fancy...)
It's just about Corbyn getting his 15 minutes of fame before he takes his time honoured turn of screwing things up but blaming others...

Q2 - No one knew anything as leaving was never really considered. It was all about Cameron reinforcing his popularity and understanding squat about how people were really feeling (nothing changes) or teh consequences of his 'can't lose' referendumb (1).

Q2 ? Are you kidding me mate. They were stupid for putting it to a vote. It was only going to go one way.

 

[Harvest Fields]

The country voted to leave the EU. It was a close vote, but the out vote won.

There should be no back stabbing or trying to score political points. The countries democratically elected politicians should have come together to ensure we left in the best position possible.

But no. Conservatives are up their own arsed, that moron corby thinks it will get him to number 10 and the rest just want there 15 minutes of fame on the TV.

We are the laughing stock of the whole world.

A close vote. The only thing that kept remain in with a shout was Scotland and they didn’t want to be part of the uk at one point.
Have a look at how much blue is on this map within England alone

 

[Best]

Teresa May shouldn’t be representing the U.K. in my opinion.
She is too weak and she talks too much.
Needed somebody a bit more cunning to deal with the EU.

It also surely wouldn’t have been difficult for the government to put to everyone a simplified short paper of their proposals on Brexit.

Some viewpoints about the EU have said why wouldn’t they stick up for themselves.
But I say there is no reason the EU couldn’t have been more helpful in doing a deal with U.K. that is fair.

 

[Harvest Fields]

Teresa May shouldn’t be representing the U.K. in my opinion.
She is too weak and she talks too much.
Needed somebody a bit more cunning to deal with the EU.

It also surely wouldn’t have been difficult for the government to put to everyone a simplified short paper of their proposals on Brexit.

Some viewpoints about the EU have said why wouldn’t they stick up for themselves.
But I say there is no reason the EU couldn’t have been more helpful in doing a deal with U.K. that is fair.

Who else would you have had do the job mate? Why would the EU be helpful? We are one of the strongest parts of it and we want out.

 

[Best]

Who else would you have had do the job mate? Why would the EU be helpful? We are one of the strongest parts of it and we want out.

I honestly don’t see a UK politican who could do the PM job. None of them give me confidence in their ability or honesty.
I think the EU could have been helpful so to ensure we remained close partners, and us still funding the EU but to a lesser extent.
I think leaving the EU, but still retaining some of the laws and also rules about trading goods, while perhaps continuing to fund the EU at a much reduced amount, would be acceptable as a Brexit.

 

[Harvest Fields]

I honestly don’t see a UK politican who could do the PM job. None of them give me confidence in their ability or honesty.
I think the EU could have been helpful so to ensure we remained close partners, and us still funding the EU but to a lesser extent.
I think leaving the EU, but still retaining some of the laws and also rules about trading goods, while perhaps continuing to fund the EU at a much reduced amount, would be acceptable as a Brexit.

But that’s classed as cherry picking really. We were never going to be allowed to do that was we.

 

[Best]

A close vote. The only thing that kept remain in with a shout was Scotland and they didn’t want to be part of the uk at one point.
Have a look at how much blue is on this map within England alone

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The colour is misleading obviously, - NI appears to have a small Leave vote, but it was 44%.

 

[Best]

But that’s classed as cherry picking really. We were never going to be allowed to do that was we.

It comes down to money loss for EU. We should have negotiated a deal with EU that we still paid substantial money to them but have our own laws.
Maybe a strong government would have pushed for a fairer compromise.
I am reluctantly now thinking a no deal is best.

 

[Welder]

Q2 ? Are you kidding me mate. They were stupid for putting it to a vote. It was only going to go one way.

Oh I see ... Sorry H but my crystal ball has never worked. However, glad yours is fully functional

I ain't goin' there bud 'cos it's only going to end one way - unhappiness.
As supposed grown ups, we should be reserving the right to differ in our extreme opinions but remain quietly certain that when I'm dead I'll come haunt you whatever the eventual outcome

 

[Ric2013]

I think Theresa May is up against an impossible task trying to find a deal that will make everyone happy. She's a liar and arrogant and probably corrupt, but she's still not the main problem.

The problem is the referendum. We were not asked what we meant by Leave or Remain. Perhaps if we had been, then some of the myths on boths sides would have been exposed.

I voted Leave, unwillingly, because I believed that the EU was a neoliberal boys' club; discussing TTIP behind closed doors; because I believed that it was one of the reasons we had to open certain public services, such as the postal service, up to competition; because of the punitive way Greece was forced into an auterity budget that even the IMF said was not going to work; because I was fed up with the UK governments blaming everything they did that was unpopular on the EU; and because I felt that the English have never considered themselves Europeans and we have never been given a chance to vote on the EU as it has become; and because I remember a rightwing Danish politician saying he needed the UK's support to keep the socialists out of power in the EU. I did not accept that the EU can be reformed, but I do believe that the other members states are probably better off without us. I believed that leaving would harm our economy, but seeing as I do not agree that perpetual growth on a planet with dwindling resources is even desirable, and that my experience is that quality of life has more to do with how the internal resources of a nation are distributed than the total wealth of a nation, I didn't really mind.

I don't really care, though, if we leave or remain. To be honest, it'll make no difference so long as we seem to be heading for severe and irreversible climate change because we insist on burning every fossil fuel we can get our hands on so we never have to do any manual labour and can have everything new all the time.

In the Labour annual conference, the strategy agreed was to support the deal if it met Kier Starmer's six tests, which I don't think was humanly possible of any exit deal, negotiated by ANY party. Failing that, the strategy is to try to call for a general election, and failing that, a 'People's Vote', the argument being that when a trade union gets a deal with management that is worse than the current system, then it should put it to the vote and that, analogously, as a nation we should do the same. I'm not sure I was totally behind this, but at least I understand it.

 

[Welder]

I honestly don’t see a UK politican who could do the PM job. None of them give me confidence in their ability or honesty.
I think the EU could have been helpful so to ensure we remained close partners, and us still funding the EU but to a lesser extent.
I think leaving the EU, but still retaining some of the laws and also rules about trading goods, while perhaps continuing to fund the EU at a much reduced amount, would be acceptable as a Brexit.

Stood alone seriously concerns me. Whilst nothing of the EU was perfect there was real point and strength in the political alliances especially towards Putin and his aggressive Russia.

I asked a politics lecturer (a customer of mine) a few weeks before the vote why so many non-european countries were being courted by Europe cos I saw us paying for them and it miffed me.

His answer was starkly simple. The former USSR put all its weapons in outlying states. These states became independant with the breakdown of the USSR and have seriously struggled ever since. Without Europe to attract them (one of the major attractions being the UK) then these states would be forced back into the Russian fold which immediately gives Putin back control over their missiles.

Putin is the single biggest threat to world peace at present - now of course even worse with the carrot tw4t in the US. Europe must grow its influence in order to negate the Russian threat and without the UK as an integral part it is naturally less attractive. To a large extent this has frightened Europe which, IMHO, is one of the reasons they have taken a hard stance.

I also have two farmer friends. One in cereal & one in livestock. Both of these have now basically given up. With European subsidy ending, they can no longer make ends meet so are looking to simply sell up but no one wants farms...

What the hell tho, it's only our future... You lot will have to deal with it cos I'll be dead.