Let’s talk politics!!

[Harvest Fields]

It comes down to money loss for EU. We should have negotiated a deal with EU that we still paid substantial money to them but have our own laws.
Maybe a strong government would have pushed for a fairer compromise.
I am reluctantly now thinking a no deal is best.

I think a no deal was always going to be best. However the EU had to be strong otherwise everyone would want to leave.

 

[Harvest Fields]

The colour is misleading obviously, - NI appears to have a small Leave vote, but it was 44%.

I do agree mate

 

[Harvest Fields]

Oh I see . Sorry H but my crystal ball has never worked. However, glad yours is fully functional

I ain't goin' there bud 'cos it's only going to end one way - unhappiness.
As supposed grown ups, we should be reserving the right to differ in our extreme opinions but remain quietly certain that when I'm dead I'll come haunt you whatever the eventual outcome

Not meant to offend or upset mate. Just an opinion. What I meant was they decided to have a vote on it. Then started talking about money and borders. Then all the people that have no idea about anything come out of the woodwork and end up voting.

 

[Welder]

Not meant to offend or upset mate. Just an opinion. What I meant was they decided to have a vote on it. Then started talking about money and borders. Then all the people that have no idea about anything come out of the woodwork and end up voting.

For me what happened was that it became the only choice people had to express their unhappiness for anything and everything and nothing that politicians did (or didn't do) ever!

Paddy Ashdown summed it up for me post event. He talked about the result being indicative of the levels of frustration of people and the unsuitable nature of our political system to either recognise or do something about that fundemental unhappiness. He was right.

The one thing that everyone agrees with is that change is needed. However with our polarised system, all left or all right, nothing is ever going to change. FWIW, in my life I have realised the benefits of coalition - no matter who it is. One applies some form of 'check' on the other.

Look at Germany, the single most successful nation in the world since 1945. Not once since then has a single party ruled. They work together and just bloody sort things rather than pander to crowds and worrying about popularity contests. Rant off !

 

[hammers4spanner]

Its amazing as what started as a common market in the early 70s has now caused such mayhem. All this we were lied to about leaving is ballcocks as well. We have been consistently lied to by consecutive govts over the EU since we joined in the 70s.

Im glad we are leaving its always been about France wanting a United States of Europe. Without a big hitter like us propping up the likes of Greece and co it will slowly stsrt to fail.

 

[Ric2013]

The funny thing is the same day I voted Leave I would happily have voted to join a USE, had it been along what I felt were the right lines.

 

[Welder]

I'm no fan of the waste or gravey train, but I voted remain due to the positives. For example:
GDPR. The whole point of GDPR is protecting individuals from the big companies like Amazon, Google, Tesco and many many others. Having a proper website now, the level of detail I can glean from the data collected genuinely frightens me and, believe me, we are not even on the 'real' ladder of available information.

These guys are harvesting this information and using it to drive sales and even desires. They can tell when women ovulate, they can tell when a woman is pregnant BEFORE she even knows! GDPR was conceived to protect us, genuinely protect us.

EN200
Yes its only a spec for taps, but at its heart is control of tap manufacturers who would exploit a lack of common legislation to drive sales that were not needed. Manus who literally wasted milions of tonnes of materials and energy usage feeding their profit habit - greed.

I could go on but already I sense the eyelids closing

Europe is not perfect, not by a long long shot however without we are too unduly influenced by the USA and we all know how they are going to hell in a hand cart. Let's face it, we paid literally billions to them to 'help us' ( a massive loan) during the war (only finally paid off that debt around 10 years ago) and the nonces then wanted to be feighted as our savours for ripping us off. Oh, I forgot, that couldn't have happened we have a 'special' relationship... At least the Russians, Chinese et al don't stab you in the back!

 

[WaterTight]

I didn't feel I understood it all enough to make an informed decision in 2016 and I'm only marginally clearer on it now. Luckily it appears my fellow countrymen suffer from no such inadequacies. There seems to be a greater stigma attached to not having a strong opinion on this topic than there does to acting like you should be taking over negotiations yourself.

 

[Last Plumber]

What makes this so difficult is that it is not actually anything to do with the political left and right. There are Brexiteers and Remainers in both camps.
Each and every person with any interest or opinion on the subject will have their own personal view on it, for reasons of their own.

 

[SimonG]

That's just it. It wasn't left or right it was in or out.
The deal on the table is poor. But corbyn has said he will vote against any deal. ????
This whole thing could have made us come out of it stronger as a nation.
I give up I really do.
Where's the deserted desert island when you need it?

 

[Welder]

What makes this so difficult is that it is not actually anything to do with the political left and right. There are Brexiteers and Remainers in both camps.
Each and every person with any interest or opinion on the subject will have their own personal view on it, for reasons of their own.

All of which are correct really. None of us can say the other is wrong cos it's the biggest guessing game since we evolved (I use that term in its physical sense only) & walked upright. Over time things will emerge and 20:20 hindsight will endow people with their favourite "I told you so" attitude as they witter on. The rest of us will all smile sweetly and nod in agreement while muttering "D1ck head" under our breaths.

The only thing we, as a business, can say for certain is that prices will rise for us and that we are already being bent over in anticipation of a more severe & penetratingly painful 'rear end experience' while those perpetrating it will laugh all the way to their bulging swiss bank accounts...

 

[Welder]

Where's the deserted desert island when you need it?

Full of rich celebrities with their sodding record collections and one 'luxury' item. Mine would be blonde and willing Sorry not very PC

 

[Last Plumber]

None of us can say the other is wrong

True. It is not the same as Left, middle of the roads or right. At least with true politics we can all see whereabouts were placed going off our general views compared with other peoples. This is every man for himself.

 

[Welder]

This is every man for himself.

Or every woman for himself !
Or every being of no particular gender for itself !
Or every Farage, Cameron or Johnson et al for themselves !

I'm gonna get my wrists slapped very soon I can feel it

Edit: Just teasing oh guardians of whatever is flavour of the moment ...

 

[Ric2013]

I could go on but already I sense the eyelids closing

To be honest, it is good to be reminded what has Europe ever done for us. You'd make a good Remain campaigner.

I went to an Another Europe is Possible talk only to have someone speaking aggressively about the evil people who voted Leave, and I walked out, because I did not vote Leave for any of the assumed reasons and was not willing to sit there and be insulted. But a rational argument based on the positives of the EU, that I am willing to listen to.

 

[Last Plumber]

Like that sketch on Life of Brian. What have the Romans ever done for us?

 

[Harvest Fields]

Like that sketch on Life of Brian. What have the Romans ever done for us?

The aqueduct and the sanitation!

 

[Last Plumber]

The aqueduct and the sanitation!

Yeah, and there's the Roads.

 

[Last Plumber]

Or every woman for himself !
Or every being of no particular gender for itself !

Well, when I said it they were all men but they might not be now!

 

[Last Plumber]

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[hammers4spanner]

What i find with remainers is the we were lied to and never knew what we were voting ,hmmmm probably 95% of voters already knew which way they were voting before the spin had begun .

Also as for the threat from Putin is real yet again tho i didn't see Europe do much or even want to do anything when Russia sailed an aircraft carrier through the channel .

Glad to be leaving .....or are we??

 

[Welder]

Look forward to seeing you in #10 hammers. You obviously have it all sussed. #admiration

 

[hammers4spanner]

Not difficult to understand the word LEAVE is it ??

 

[hammers4spanner]

leave meaning - Google Search

I have attached appropriate meaning for those that don't understand

 

[Welder]

lYou'd make a good Remain campaigner.

Thank you-I think!

Although I feel we should (still) remain, I do feel decidedly miffed at the way we as citizens are treated by our elected representatives. So few take the time & trouble to understand the views of the silent majority.

The media winds people up by feeding people who are frightened about the and their future exaggerations.

Without doubt many people in the UK cannot get a job because someone from another country does it cheaper. However, it's not the fault of the individuals for trying to feed their families. Its actually the fault of everyone of us because we dont want to pay a reasonable price anymore. If we pay a bit more companies could pay out a bit more.

Then of course you have corporate greed. So, we all know, in our heart of hearts, that if we pay a bit more the greedy swines will simply skim that extra off the top...

None of that can or will be changed by leaving Europe tho. We've now seen that to 'leave' we must remain! This is a complete betrayal of 16M leavers as well as pi55ing off 15M remainers cos we lose all influence.

Seems to me we need a new political order or a new global order in terms of no longer measuring business success purely on a financial basis as that will eventually simply kill society stone dead as nothing short of revolution will redistribute the wealth.

#ThereIsAnAlternative