plumbers mate wanted

[Ivor Bates]

What is this got to do with you is my Q ? Eat your pennants and stay munkey and do not replay to my post !And go and sort your self out you are full of negative vibes all over your posts !

Firstly appologies, if you think the post was negative, maybe it was, but maybe it wasn't. All I have done is read your original post, in what you were asking for.
My opinon and I'm perfectly free to express it, is your asking for too much for too little, see your original post. You want them fitting bathrooms for you, hanging radiators for you, provide transport for you as well as tools, travel between Essex, South London & West London. For £50 a day? It's certainly not a living wage, it's certainly not a fair wage for what you are expecting from them either. It more than likely won't comply with minimum wages legislation if their over 21, because of the very nature of the work. Unless of course the work is a crash bang wallop job. I think you mentioned somewhere 5 boilers a week? So no 8 hour days then?
Your not training anyone, training is done at college, experience is done on site. Many a employer loves to pay next to nothing for labour, but in most cases, it just shows the business and the employer for what they are. Whether you give them a 50p wage rise at the end of the 2 week period is irrelivent. Your not paying a fair wage for what you want fact!

 

[SafeGasInstall]

I do not have need for your apology at all ,as you have been more then arrogant in your posts and unfair ! You do not know me and my work to give your opinion over anything AT ALL , so please keep quiet and is better so say nothing then what you have done !
you are in london and we could have helped each other but after this type of comments over my self for who you KNOW ABSOLUTELY nothing just rings the bell what type of personality you have

 

[jase158]

Firstly appologies, if you think the post was negative, maybe it was, but maybe it wasn't. All I have done is read your original post, in what you were asking for.
My opinon and I'm perfectly free to express it, is your asking for too much for too little, see your original post. You want them fitting bathrooms for you, hanging radiators for you, provide transport for you as well as tools, travel between Essex, South London & West London. For £50 a day? It's certainly not a living wage, it's certainly not a fair wage for what you are expecting from them either. It more than likely won't comply with minimum wages legislation if their over 21, because of the very nature of the work. Unless of course the work is a crash bang wallop job. I think you mentioned somewhere 5 boilers a week? So no 8 hour days then?
Your not training anyone, training is done at college, experience is done on site. Many a employer loves to pay next to nothing for labour, but in most cases, it just shows the business and the employer for what they are. Whether you give them a 50p wage rise at the end of the 2 week period is irrelivent. Your not paying a fair wage for what you want fact!

Can I just state on this matter that £50 per day is a fair wage, this is coming from somebody who would love this opportunity, I live not too far away from west london, but essex would be a 3 hour drive for me.

What he is offering is £250 per week, this is £1000 per month, for any young person with no family, this is superb, it would mean that they have food and a roof over their head, whilst learning a trade that will keep them in good stead for life.

however the person with negative comments on here, firstly, this guy has given his time and money to give a person a job, secondly this is the expected starting wage for anybody going into plumbing and will consist of getting tools out of the van all day, not exactly hard work for £50 per day.
and thirdly, the op should be thanked for giving back to the community, how many gas engineers can say that they would employ 1, let alone 2 people and train them up, not many.
the op obviously isnt rubbish or he wouldnt have so much work, he has worked hard to get where he is and comments like yours should not be expressed.

they do not help or encourage other plumbers to do the same thing.

like said before, nothing good to say dont say nothing at all.

 

[SafeGasInstall]

jase 158 where do you live ,if you get your self to my home I will drive you to work and back ,this is what I do at the moment with my other plumbers mate ! do you have a cscs card ?

 

[Dave'o]

You still looking for a plumbers mate? I might be interested..

 

[SafeGasInstall]

yes I do !

 

[Gray0689]

Can I have that job SGI lol

 

[SafeGasInstall]

Take the first plane and I will pick you up from heatrow air port on the way To work at 6:15am

 

[Gray0689]

Take the first plane and I will pick you up from heatrow air port on the way To work at 6:15am

Well I'll take that as a compliment mate.
hope you get sorted with a good lad soon

 

[GQuigley67]

£50 a day is a fair rate i must say, not as if you would be expected to be doing all the hard work for that, a plumbers mate is not a plumber, its a fancy word for labourer, sure you can progress and become as good as a plumber through experience, i know a heating engineers mate who is one of the best workers in my old company, was better than the 2 lazy heating engineers, he never complained about the different salary or anything like that, plus he will no doubt be rewarded with a pay rise for being such an asset to the company.

after all a plumbers mate pretty much does the apprentices job, and they learn through experience, only difference is the college but you can buy your own reference books for the theory part.

 

[Dave'o]

I'm from Northamptonshire but I can travel for the 2 week trail period and depending on the wage thereafter and the amount of work I will move closer to your location. I have a couple of years plumbing/heating/gas experience, NVQ2 plumbing, own Gas Safe Registration, CIS number, CSCS card in the post, tools and transport. I start a NVQ3 soon (2 evenings and week for 2 years) but am looking to move closer to London and this could be an ideal situation.
Any more information would be welcomed.

 

[SafeGasInstall]

it looks like dave will have the job

 

[armyash]

if dave don't get it and the job is still up for grabs in 12 months i'll be offering my services! (cscs should be here next week too) lol :icon10:

 

[Resolute]

Was it only the one guy your after?
I'm gonna be in London tomorrow and was hoping to pop by about 4:30 if your about on Streatham then?

 

[PlumbersMate]

Would just like to say anybody who turns their nose up at this opportunity is bonkers!!! And to say 50 quid a day isnt enough is rubbish! I started as a ventilation fitters mate on 35quid a day and had to pay my own train fare every day! And i was STILL grateful.

 

[jase158]

jase 158 where do you live ,if you get your self to my home I will drive you to work and back ,this is what I do at the moment with my other plumbers mate ! do you have a cscs card ?

Hi SGI, I am in buckinghamshire, I dont have cscs, but just waiting for NVQ certificates to come so that I can apply.

Where abouts do you live, when would I be able to start.

 

[SafeGasInstall]

Would just like to say anybody who turns their nose up at this opportunity is bonkers!!! And to say 50 quid a day isnt enough is rubbish! I started as a ventilation fitters mate on 35quid a day and had to pay my own train fare every day! And i was STILL grateful.

half the lies you tell aint true Lee LOL

 

[Ivor Bates]

[DLMURL="http://www.unitetheunion.org/pdf/IssuedPayRates20112012Prom163A3.pdf"]JIB plumbing rates for 2011/12 [/DLMURL]if as the post requires, your self employed, and you need to provide your own tools, plus your own van, not forgetting if you are self employed you also need your own public liability insurance. Then the pay rate needs to be higher and reflective of what is required. Anything less is cheap labour. I don't really give a toss whether you like my post, these are the facts. I'll give you credit for paying peanuts as there are many businesses only to willing to offer "trial periods" with no pay, only to terminate the employment when the work quiets down considerably.

 

[sparra1100]

so therefore do you think gordan ramsey gets the same money as a chef in a small resturant "NO" so therefore dont no how you can compere jib rates to a small firm completely different gassafe install has said he will pay trial rates then proper rate if trainiee any good

 

[jase158]

[DLMURL="http://www.unitetheunion.org/pdf/IssuedPayRates20112012Prom163A3.pdf"]JIB plumbing rates for 2011/12 [/DLMURL]if as the post requires, your self employed, and you need to provide your own tools, plus your own van, not forgetting if you are self employed you also need your own public liability insurance. Then the pay rate needs to be higher and reflective of what is required. Anything less is cheap labour. I don't really give a toss whether you like my post, these are the facts. I'll give you credit for paying peanuts as there are many businesses only to willing to offer "trial periods" with no pay, only to terminate the employment when the work quiets down considerably.

If thats the case will you give any surplus wages you earn to charity as these people have determined exactly what you should earn?

Anything over what they say should not be allowed either.

And theoretically he has stuck by these guidelines

8 x 6.24 per hour = 49.92 per day, he was offering £50 per day

 

[jase158]

so therefore do you think gordan ramsey gets the same money as a chef in a small resturant "NO" so therefore dont no how you can compere jib rates to a small firm completely different gassafe install has said he will pay trial rates then proper rate if trainiee any good

Minimum wage for a plumber 14.55 p/h
Maximum wage 15.89 p/h
maximum wage per week £596 p/w

Unless you work over time.

Really, wonder how many people complain when they earn £3000 per week

Sorry but this is a load of rubbish, don't know what this applies to. but a difference of £1.40 per hour for gas experience and certification. don't think so.

 

[Ivor Bates]

If thats the case will you give any surplus wages you earn to charity as these people have determined exactly what you should earn?

Anything over what they say should not be allowed either.

And theoretically he has stuck by these guidelines

8 x 6.24 per hour = 49.92 per day, he was offering £50 per day

Only if he is employing them on the cards will he be, as they are required to provide, transport, tools, own p/l insurance then the rate he is paying is low.

 

[jase158]

Only if he is employing them on the cards will he be, as they are required to provide, transport, tools, own p/l insurance then the rate he is paying is low.

he has asked for somebody with a van, so they are not paying out, tools also already got and P/L insurance is under his as he is contractor. and again if you are self employed you already have.

only thing you are pying for is transport which is understandable as the experience is your reward for paying for fuel. £10 per day is nothing really in exchange for experience, can't buy that at a training centre. I know hundreds of people who would quite literally cut off their right hand for this opportunity. I get 4-5 call a month for this sort of thing and you are spitting it back in his face, how rude.

 

[Ivor Bates]

so therefore do you think gordan ramsey gets the same money as a chef in a small resturant "NO" so therefore dont no how you can compere jib rates to a small firm completely different gassafe install has said he will pay trial rates then proper rate if trainiee any good

Gordon Ramsey, isn't really a good example after all he is forever closing restaurants down because they make no money. So just what is a fair trial rate? It certainly isn't one where you have to provide your own transport to the employer @ £50 a day. Anyway for all of you willing to work for this measly amount of money per day, I'll up it to £80 plus cover your parking, congestion and chuck in £35 fuel allowance....

 

[Ivor Bates]

he has asked for somebody with a van, so they are not paying out, tools also already got and P/L insurance is under his as he is contractor. and again if you are self employed you already have.

only thing you are pying for is transport which is understandable as the experience is your reward for paying for fuel. £10 per day is nothing really in exchange for experience, can't buy that at a training centre. I know hundreds of people who would quite literally cut off their right hand for this opportunity. I get 4-5 call a month for this sort of thing and you are spitting it back in his face, how rude.

If your self employed, you should have your own insurance. If you don't your a fool. As for the rest of your post you've completely lost me..