[Poll] Rate my lagging

[Pickwickpick]

For one legally trained, I am uttey perplexed at your complete lack of recognition of both the role & value of expert witnesses.

Your statements & actions demonstrate a distinct disconnect...

The plot thickens, seems very bizarre that a 'legally trained chap' would have to ask "what differentiates a 3rd party plumber providing an opinion, from a "survey" "

 

[Tardigrade]

Pickwick - thank you for a well written response. The only parts I disagree with:
1) I don't believe I "threw my toys out of the pram" - at least prior to being the subject of abusive language. Where do you believe I did this?
2) Had I recieved a good volume of honest responses, it would have been of use to me. a) because it would have informed the strength of my case prior to shelling out for a formal report and b) because most of this is not being conducted in a courtroom, but rather through persuasion with councilors and council representitives. Here, opnions do matter, particularly when well articulated (such as the comment that the usage of the pipe is critical when considering whether lagging is addequate).

YorskshireDave - are you REALLY from the north? You're shattering the stereotype. I didn't ask for an expert witness, so going off about it is what is called a straw man fallacy. Not the only logical fallacy you've displayed, whilst calling me uninteligent. Ironic.

 

[SimonG]

Unintelligent, now there's irony.

 

[SimonG]

Abusive? Need to get out more Buttercup.

 

[Tardigrade]

SimonG. A typo? I'm shattered by the strength of your debate skills. It actually isn't ironic, what you pointed out, but you just keep your Alanis illusions.

 

[Riley]

Dear lord please just get an independent survey and assessment carried out. Our opinion on the work is worthless because it is nothing but opinion. None of us have assessed the work or looked up close or even been privy to the spec of the materials used. We could tell you how it should be done and what to use but that’s a million miles off what the councils opinion is. You still haven’t told us what you paid for this lagging. Sometimes you get what you pay for. You are looking for someone here to turn round and say it’s unacceptable because ... but we can’t as there are too many external factors. For my opinion not that you’ll care I have seen a lot worse likewise I have seen a lot better.

 

[Welder]

YorskshireDave - are you REALLY from the north? You're shattering the stereotype. I didn't ask for an expert witness, so going off about it is what is called a straw man fallacy. Not the only logical fallacy you've displayed, whilst calling me uninteligent. Ironic.

Oh that old sterotypical chestnut - yawn.

If you wish to stand toe to toe on neuro science, psychology, engineering and many aspects of consumer law then this northern thicko is happy to just before I lift your idealistic head from its shoulders.

There are none so deaf as those who do not wish to hear. Goodnight.

 

[Tardigrade]

Riley, thank you, I have heard that loud and clear.

 

[SimonG]

Attention to detail, maybe a little bit more of that and you wouldn't be fishing for ammunition on an internet forum.

Yes your honour the UK's leading plumbing forum said so.

 

[Tardigrade]

Neuroscience? I don't know what plot you are following. Goodnight for the third(?) time.

 

[Tardigrade]

"Attention to detail" says the guy that didn't read past the first sentence. Thanks for yet more irrelevant insults. Keep them coming.

 

[Riley]

Think this has run its course now yawn

 

[SimonG]

I said at 16.28 on your first post to get an independent 3rd party. Yorkshire Dave and a few others have said the same.

Anybody with any intelligence, let alone a supposed legal background, would have taken this on board as a positive step forward.

You've had good advise. No insults, no abuse and no aggression.

Unfortunately it's not the advise you were either expecting or wanting.

Now this is the result. Toys out the pram and insinuation of abuse and aggressiveness. The only card you haven't played is the racism one.

Now stop digging and jog on.

 

[Tardigrade]

1. You're simply lying about the tone of responses. Being told I lack intelligence is abusive language and entirely unneccesssary. You and others have since followed up with a ton of unconstructive swipes. Particularly, "let's all vote 1!!!" is extremely childish.

2. Taking it personally because you PERCIEVE that YOUR advice isn't being listened to, is your problem. It doesn't give you the "moral high ground" to go on a crusade to derail somone's post. I have every right to gather more opinions; to find value in peoples responses WHILST ALSO considering a survey. You've simply lost your sh*t because I haven't behaved exactly like you want me to.

3. I stopped looking for helpful feedback long ago. I'm only responding to asshats continuing to take a swipe. This would have ended a long time ago, if you could resist the urge to take another swipe.

 

[snowhead]

It's quite simple;

This is good;

https://corporate.armacell.com/fileadmin/_processed_/csm_marketbroschure_8deb2b3628.png

The O.P installation isn't.

 

[Tardigrade]

Thank you snowhead

 

[ShaunCorbs]

It's quite simple;

This is good;

https://corporate.armacell.com/fileadmin/_processed_/csm_marketbroschure_8deb2b3628.png

The O.P installation isn't.

Bet that took a week to do

Ops was done in half a day

 

[townfanjon]

Is the duck back ?

 

[Harvest Fields]

As I explained, the council ran procurement, and as such, there is near zero documentation provided to us, and we don't have access to what they contracted out. I am effectively challenging the council - so what they did or did not agree with the contractors is not relevant as much as what they SHOULD have agreed.

If the council haven’t paid for proper lagging then what you see is what you get. Not the contractors fault.

 

[Ric2013]

Ok FWIW I'll answer the OP.

I can't however complete the poll because my answer would lie somewhere between 2 and 3. I'd say it could be acceptable with a few tweaks but, equally, it may not be. I have seen a lot worse and rarely better. Given that I have not come and inspected the system and its design in detail, I cannot comment on its performance of how important and effective the lagging is to its performance.

I would argue that having to wait 2 minutes is an unacceptable delay to obtain hot water at a tap, but this is extremely unlikely to be anything to do with the lagging.

 

[Sharp Point]

I sometimes ( quite rarely) just throw stuff in, when the occupier is a complete utter c@nt or the property is a utter filthy sh@t hole.

 

[SimonG]

Is the duck back ?

No its better.

 

[Tardigrade]

Thank you Ric. No, you're quite right the (local) lagging will only be part of the picture for the awful warm-up time. There are many other issues. But, the heat transfer between pipes is noticeable.

 

[ShaunCorbs]

Thank you Ric. No, you're quite right the (local) lagging will only be part of the picture for the awful warm-up time. There are many other issues. But, the heat transfer between pipes is noticeable.

its supposed to

 

[Old Account]

Is the duck back ?

Duck mutated into a cat now