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How much would you lads charge (labour only)? Putting a price on a job is difficult for me because I've mostly worked for someone else. I've recently gone it alone and was looking for some help in costing jobs. I'll with a job I 've been asked to quote for recently..... Customer wants 2 rads replacing due to corrosion. I can't get the exact same size because the existing rads are 560mm wide (22"), so I'm looking at 500mm wide and shortening the pipework slightly. All pipework is 10mm, exposed and run under the rads so there are no boards to lift. Alternatively I would consider a pair of valve extensions. Has anyone had any experience of these and what are they like?
Thanks
 
i've used valve extensions once or twice and to be honest they don't look as good as pipe changes. in your situation i would move the rad over if there is room then you only have one pipe to alter. as for price £80-£120 depending where you are i would have thought
 
I did a radiator job earlier in the week.

Replace one large radiator, change valves on heated towel rail and refit pipework I'd cut off previously to stop a leak. Fit half a dozen TRVs.

£775.

Sounds a lot, doesn't it? (My original estimate was for £840 and was estimated for 2 days.)

Breakdown:

Call out to fix leak and fit washing machine - arrived within 1 hour of phone call and spent 2 hours there.
Trot into plumbing merchants and sort out sizes (job was going to be for 2 radiators)
Collect radiators and buy 12 trvs (didn't count how many rads there were) and bought a few other bits and pieces (e.g. fittings, inhibitor). It's irrelevant that I have these on the van as before they went into the van I had to buy them from the merchants.
Organise another plumber to help me with the job and get him there to give price for a log burner installation so we'll both probably change that together.

Got to customer at 9am. What did customer have to do? Ask me over to look at the job. Nothing else. I've done all the running around, buying, risking my capital, taking my time, etc.

Started at around 9am and finished leak, replacement of new radiator and four trvs by lunch.
I drained radiators (bungalow so each had to be done separately) and mate fitted most trvs.
Two trvs to fit after lunch. One done in about 5 minutes but other took an hour or so as radiator had to be taken outside and taken to pieces.
Refilled system by about 3:30pm.
Cleared up most things.
4:00pm. Air lock not moving.
20 minutes to find pump buried under 6" of insulation in loft. Bled pump.
Another 10 minutes for us to find a couple of bleed points.
More bleeding.
Air lock still there.
Attack radiator and suck out water.
Finished by 5:00pm.

Phone call in evening - heating locked out - probably an air lock.
Return yesterday for 2 hours and sorted it out.

Cost of radiator, fittings, etc £235.
Cost of other plumber £180.
£360 for me.

Time spent, including travel 12 hours equates to just over £30 an hour. Take off mileage (40p per mile) around 80 miles all told - £32
Insurance, training, accountants fees, website costs (that's where they found me), depreciation on tools, bank charge (for the cheque they gave me), mobile telephone cost (that's how they contacted me), clothing, solder, flux, etc, etc, etc. No idea but got to be around £50 per day.


£360 - £80 (mileage plus other costs) = £280
£280 minus tax and national insurance (say £70) gives me a wage of £210 for a day (about £17.50 an hour for 12 hours).

£210 means £500 a week means £25k a year.

So that £775 job equates to a normal salary - not a huge wage, to be honest when compared to some non jobs out there.


£25k a year?
I wish!!!

Other job I did that day (in the evening) was return to a blocked oil line for another customer. I've spent 8 hours trying to trace this and establish whether it was a small blockage, a tree root, sludge, or the boiler, or the fire valve, etc, etc, etc. There's no way I can charge £30 an hour and still have no boiler working. I now have to find a 50 meter oil line, return to fit it, and so on. If I charge the full price when I complete the job the customer will be looking at £600 or so. I can't charge that - outrageous price!! So my day rate for this is going to be more like £130. Frustrating but that's the nature of the job.

So, some customers pay more per hour/day, some pay less. It depends on the job and the competition and how much you want to get recommendations from other customers.


Easiest way to know how to charge is:

How much do you want to earn a year, assuming you work everyday?
£24,000 before tax?

24000 / 48 (four weeks holiday) = £500 a week or £100 a day.
My charges above guess at £50 a day so I have to charge at least £150 a day or £20 an hour.

Call outs for small jobs: how many can you do in a day? Three?
That means £50 a call out (£150 / 3)

How much you actually charge will depend on your area, how busy you are, how much competition there is in your area and what they charge, etc, etc.
 
I'm charging £300 a day or £40 and hour for gas and heating work and £200 a day or £25 an hour for plumbing as there's a lot of plumbing competition in this area.

I'm also charging £200 a day if I'm subbing, most in this area charge £100 -£150 subbing but I'm quick and good at my job so they get a good deal at £200.

I can't be too far out as I've been stacked out for the last month, 50% subby stuff 50% my own.
 
id be leaning towards the £120 mark

Thanks for all the replies. Bod, I assume the above will be for two rads?...... This brings me to another question. Same property has asked me to replace the two rads plus service boiler, repair tap (washer) and try to repair shower valve. If I complete the work in a day and I charge £120 for the rads, say £30 for the washer, £50 boiler service and an hour repairing shower (£30); my question is, would you total the above (£230) or just charge between £150-£200 day rate? This is labour only by the way.
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About £2,000 for labour (five days for two of us or 10 days for just me). Is this really expensive?

Not sure how much the bits are so will guess at £1,200 for the boiler, £1,000 for the cylinder and £200 per radiator and £400 for pipework and other fittings, and £250 for programmer, room stat, wire, etc - £5,850 + labour = £7,850.

I didn't think my above example was really expensive - perhaps it is?
 
Changing TRV's as a rule of thumb it's 50 per valve upto 4 plus 100 and just a straight 50 per valve for anything 5 valves and above. Adjusted accordingly after seeing job.
 
Dontknowitall, I'm 100% with you on your pricing methods. It's very easy to get work and earn next to no profit. Getting work and making a decent living is much harder!
 
On a recent unvented cylinder swap, boiler replacement and 9 rad system full re-pipe, new valves etc, I charge £2,000 for labour for a 9 day job. That works out at £185 per day plus VAT. You just need to work out how long the job will take you backboiler and price your days out at £150-£200 a day if you want to be making profit rather than paying bills. Sorry to be crude but I learnt this lesson that hard way in my first year of trading. Hope this helps.
 
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