Screwfix are selling press fit

[Deleted member 96286]

I see more people are using these to pipe boilers with, i guess manufacturers are happy with press fit?? Meaning wont come up with an excuse to void warranty.

Most of the guys around here are installing boilers using pressfit. Don't see how copper to copper fittings can void warranty, but I agree with you that there are boiler companies that will probably try it on just to get out of it.

 

[Deleted member 96286]

Another big plus for me with Yorkshire XPress are the chrome fittings. These press direct onto chrome pipe without having to remove the chrome or scribe the pipe. They look really good on a chrome towel radiator.

 

[Millsy 82]

I can see the appeal on boiler swaps but full central heating systems must cost a lot more.

Do the customers not moan about the bulky fittings?

What about getting the press fit gun into some of the stupidly tight spaces we have to get into?

 

[Deleted member 96286]

I can see the appeal on boiler swaps but full central heating systems must cost a lot more.

Do the customers not moan about the bulky fittings?

What about getting the press fit gun into some of the stupidly tight spaces we have to get into?

15mm fittings are keenly priced compared to others except soldered fittings which are always going to be cheaper than anything else. The price jumps with 22mm and above. Press fit can be used with water in the pipe, soldered fittings need dry pipelines. There is also no flux, solder or pipe compounds that can contaminate a plumbing system, or fire risk due to a gas torch.

The fittings are longer, not bulkier and look better, cleaner and neater than soldered, compression fittings or plastic fittings. They don't tarnish as heated fittings do, or require cleaning to remove flux and shine them up. The chrome fittings press directly on to chrome pipe without having to remove the chrome or scribe the pipe and look really good.

Press fit is not normally for under sinks and the like and is the reason why I use both Press fit and copper push fit fittings like Tectite and Cuprofit. There is a 45 degree attachment for the gun for tight spaces.

 

[Millsy 82]

Thanks last 2 stupid questions then I will stop I swear.

What about imperial pipe? Does it go straight onto that? Or do you have to buy a special fitting for that.

Do you use the no flame point as a selling point?

 

[ShaunCorbs]

Straight onto imperial

And on a full install I saved around 2 days labour

 

[Millsy 82]

I dont look at soldering as slow but then you always have that odd joint that seems to take a while.

I'm going to look into going down that route maybe give it a try on my next install.

 

[ShaunCorbs]

I dont look at soldering as slow but then you always have that odd joint that seems to take a while.

I'm going to look into going down that route maybe give it a try on my next install.

Plus cleaning the fittings and pipe then fluxing then gassing then cleaning

Then x that by around 4-500 fittings adds up a bit

 

[Deleted member 96286]

Thanks last 2 stupid questions then I will stop I swear.

What about imperial pipe? Does it go straight onto that? Or do you have to buy a special fitting for that.

Do you use the no flame point as a selling point?

Imperial pipe there is a compression to press fit union. Just use a 3/4" green ring in the compression end.
There are loads of benefits to press fit over soldering. I've listed most earlier. One of the biggest is you can make joints with water in the pipe.

 

[Deleted member 96286]

One big bonus is that because of the price of the press gun and kit, it's way beyond the scope of the average diy'er. I had a customer watching me using my AKKU press and he was amazed and very impressed. With diy'ers using speedfit and Hep etc. the less experienced ones who don't follow the M.I's and then have a fitting blow off have given it a bad name and made it very diy to most of us in the trade. With press fit, it's still very much in the scope of a professional plumber.

 

[Harvest Fields]

One big bonus is that because of the price of the press gun and kit, it's way beyond the scope of the average diy'er. I had a customer watching me using my AKKU press and he was amazed and very impressed. With diy'ers using speedfit and Hep etc. the less experienced ones who don't follow the M.I's and then have a fitting blow off have given it a bad name and made it very diy to most of us in the trade. With press fit, it's still very much in the scope of a professional plumber.

Beyond the scope of a diy’er. Out the scope of most pro’s

 

[Deleted member 96286]

Beyond the scope of a diy’er. Out the scope of most pro’s

I bought my kit second hand from Ebay for 400 quid, so it's affordable. I'll be upgrading soon to a new one. I hear that many reps will refund the cost of the gun if you spend a decent amount on fittings with them.

 

[WaterTight]

I was wondering about the imperial question.

Still though...£1300 is a lot of dosh. But I bet it feels like getting yourself a gift when you first use it. Like ooooh look at it go!

 

[Harvest Fields]

I bought my kit second hand from Ebay for 400 quid, so it's affordable. I'll be upgrading soon to a new one. I hear that many reps will refund the cost of the gun if you spend a decent amount on fittings with them.

Let me know where you heard that

 

[Ch4 plumbing]

Just wait and see, some of the fitters we have followed mash the fittings up good and proper when they press!!

 

[ShaunCorbs]

Just wait and see, some of the fitters we have followed mash the fittings up good and proper when they press!!

already out and slighting it

"6pm .. just packing up and BANG from the garage..... Damning stupid shitty Press stupid shitty bastard fittings .. 30 mins away to the nearest Screwfix ... Not my install - just back sorting out all original Plumbers issues 'and some'.... "

hmmm look ho far its in

 

[hammers4spanner]

I bought my kit second hand from Ebay for 400 quid, so it's affordable. I'll be upgrading soon to a new one. I hear that many reps will refund the cost of the gun if you spend a decent amount on fittings with them.

Yes i can confirm its true , my friend was given a free geberit press gun after bluffing the rep about hiw much he rents out a press gun

 

[Harvest Fields]

already out and slighting it

"6pm .. just packing up and BANG from the garage... ****ing stupid shitty Press stupid shitty bastard fittings .. 30 mins away to the nearest Screwfix . Not my install - just back sorting out all original Plumbers issues 'and some'.. "

hmmm look ho far its in

Ohhh hhhh hhhhh hhhh no!

 

[Ch4 plumbing]

The worst thing about pressing that nobody has mentioned is if there's a problem you have to cut the fittings out and add in couplings to make up the difference!

Oh and there's a massive difference between pressing 15mm and 88mm!!!

 

[Deleted member 96286]

Let me know where you heard that

Post made on this forum.

 

[Deleted member 96286]

The worst thing about pressing that nobody has mentioned is if there's a problem you have to cut the fittings out and add in couplings to make up the difference!

Oh and there's a massive difference between pressing 15mm and 88mm!!!

You have to cut out a soldered fitting if there's a problem. Tectite is also non demountable.

 

[Deleted member 96286]

This is turning into a good wee thread. Keep the comments coming chappies

 

[ShaunCorbs]

The worst thing about pressing that nobody has mentioned is if there's a problem you have to cut the fittings out and add in couplings to make up the difference!

Oh and there's a massive difference between pressing 15mm and 88mm!!!

you could grind the fittings out and then put a new one in

 

[Ch4 plumbing]

If an endfeed fitting fails we would sweat off clean and replace, absolutely no way would we grind off a fitting, if your prepared to do that you might as well either Weld or solder in the 1st place.

 

[Deleted member 96286]

If an endfeed fitting fails we would sweat off clean and replace, absolutely no way would we grind off a fitting, if your prepared to do that you might as well either Weld or solder in the 1st place.

If there's water in the system, then sweating off and replacing a soldered fitting is going to take a lot longer than cutting off a pressfit fitting with a multi tool and pressing a new one on in its place which will take a few minutes to do and can be done with water still in the pipe line.
It's not for everyone but after 35 years of soldering I prefer press fit and copper pushfit.