should government make it law to be qualified plumber to do plumbing work for money?

[ranger1]

Re: should government make it law to be qualified plumber to do plumbing work for mon

I also mentioned that I prefared Joe to use Bona Fida traesdsmen in my earlier post

 

[fuzzy]

Re: should government make it law to be qualified plumber to do plumbing work for mon

I dont suppose Joe pay`s tax, (hyperthetic Joe) but I bet most of us myself included trade with Wolsley, who`s re-located abroad to a tax freindly country to avoid UK tax, so lets not be to hard on Joe if we trade with any wolsley company. As for irisponsable actions how about the merchants ect, we trade with that sell boilers, rads ect to Joe Public. The goverment encourage that, don`t have a go at our Joe who lives down your road when there are greater wrongs going on undisturbed

greater wrongs or not doesnt make diy'ing for a fee right, it defo aint. diy is for your own home, when someones getting paid it they should be competent and pay tax.

as for merchants why should they decide who they can or cannot sell to? they have the right to trade, its not illegal to buy a gas boiler, only to work on it unless you have the correct competences

 

[desrob]

Re: should government make it law to be qualified plumber to do plumbing work for mon

yes brilliant idea, take it to the prime minister, the amount of jobs i have lost because i am not gas safe registered, yet i have got my NVQ 3 and all my technical certificates. For some reason people believe that being gas safe is the qualification needed to be a plumber. Also people telling me £400 to do a bathroom is expensive, well when the job is of good quality, then it isnt that much to pay compared to the cock ups of cowboys and these cowboys are charging £200 for a bathroom stealing decent plumbers livelihoods. another idea is to make a TV program of how well projects can go instead of all these cowboy programs which scare the public. Another idea is to make CIPHE a legal requirement of doing any plumbing work. People are still saying Corgi a year after Gas safe took over so it will take a while what ever the change unless it is publicly announced. Why should some bloke steal our work when he has no qualifications yet we have been to college for 3 years and having to price ourselves the same as somebody who doesnt even know what an air admittance valve is. You wouldnt trust a none qualified doctor so why trust a none qualified plumber

you need to have a nvq to work on sites,but no one polices it,and these people that do the 6129 and think there fully qualified as damaged the industry and £400 for a full bathroom is cheap,£700+

 

[ranger1]

Re: should government make it law to be qualified plumber to do plumbing work for mon

Hi Fuzzy, I did post the gas industry is right to be regulated I agree with regulations of this nature, however this is a two edged sword surley if the equipment is to dangerouse to work on unqualified it follows only qualified persons should purchase them that is logical, even if it is legal to sell gas items to the public is it right in light of the controls on installation. On the subject of doing a bit of plumbing which is what the discusion is about we should be honest with ourselves, which one of us has not done a cash job. remember the saying let him without sin cast the first stone. I never said we should get rid of every rule, reg or law we have to live by I said there was to many already.

 

[tamz]

Re: should government make it law to be qualified plumber to do plumbing work for mon

lol

 

[fuzzy]

Re: should government make it law to be qualified plumber to do plumbing work for mon

Hi Fuzzy, I did post the gas industry is right to be regulated I agree with regulations of this nature, however this is a two edged sword surley if the equipment is to dangerouse to work on unqualified it follows only qualified persons should purchase them that is logical, even if it is legal to sell gas items to the public is it right in light of the controls on installation. On the subject of doing a bit of plumbing which is what the discusion is about we should be honest with ourselves, which one of us has not done a cash job. remember the saying let him without sin cast the first stone. I never said we should get rid of every rule, reg or law we have to live by I said there was to many already.

ive never done work that i am not competent to do for money

 

[ranger1]

Re: should government make it law to be qualified plumber to do plumbing work for mon

Hi Fuzzy, I am not for one minute suggesting you personally are doing work you are not competent to carry out, I would not want you to think that is what I am getting at, I just dont think we should judge people to harsh over a bit of plumbing or ask for any legislation to regulate the industry it will only mean red tape for us, more costs we have to pass on to customers, making it better an more profitable for those doing private work, which current regulation proves does nothing to stop ilegal work. The history of goverment regulation has not all been good when it is put to the test and exposed. I sometimes think a camel is a horse desighned by a commitee of MPs. But I will apologise for giving you the impresion I was getting at you or anyone else for that matter. sorry mate

 

[Dan]

Re: should government make it law to be qualified plumber to do plumbing work for mon

Don't mind me while I bump some threads in the plumbing forum category. This thread might not be a current topic, if it isn't, just let it drop off the list.

If you DO want to reply to it, go ahead, that's fine. Your post might add some value to the thread and help newer members in the future.

 

[bcp]

Re: should government make it law to be qualified plumber to do plumbing work for mon

No. If you follow this route, then the same should apply for Motor Mechanics (or engineers - whatever your preferred terminology), so no working on your own vehicles etc etc. Once you have opened the flood gates to this principle, it's the back door to introduce it on loads of other areas and types of work. Once you restrict the work, you then not only need to put in place policing of it, but regulatory bodies to set standards and levy charges for registration and testing. Eventually you will end up with an exclusive elite over time. As far as gas goes, there is a safety element, but normal wet plumbing?????? if the punter wants to pay dirt cheap and get duff results, then that's a free market economy. The next thing will be having to submit video footage of you working to a quasi body who will certify your work OK or not.

 

[12poi]

Re: should government make it law to be qualified plumber to do plumbing work for mon

All trades and occupations are licensed in California & most US states. See youtube for videos of cops with drawn guns arresting guys who are unlicensed. The state employs massive hit and sting squads. Do we want anything like that in the UK?
The bureaucracy required to administer the licensing system is huge and expensive. Does it stop unlicensed work or illegal workers? No way - absolutely no way. Thousands of rubbish jobs are reported each year, jobs done by licensed and unlicensed contractors eg. reports of
Hairdressers turning womens hair orange or purple and in one case setting fire to her hair.

As someone has said, there are no real answers - since the collapse of the UK apprentice system anything goes.

 

[noggin78]

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I think a Water regulations certificate and water safe registration should be the minimum requirement to touch a plumbing system.