Train 4 Trade Skills

[msec]

Hi Msec I would like to be in the plumbing trade probably employed, not looking to much into them I applied and they give me all the crap about doing a favour for me and I might not get accepted you know, but pulled out bow he is meeting me Thursday to return my deposit but it's hard to know which path to take to get into the trade I have an interview soon at a local college

Hi, my advice would be that if you are looking for employment then I would definatly go to college. I would say T4TS is much more targeted to people wanting to set up themselves (several of the modules are on business, accounts, marketing etc.), unfortunatly a salesman on commision isn't always going to make that clear! Thats not to say that there is anything wrong with the course, I am currently doing the plumbing course and enjoying it, however I am currently a self emloyed electrician so I am doing this to expand my business. I will never have to apply for a job as a plumber so the quals are not really the issue.

Obviously, personal circumstances may dictate that college is not an option, plus at some point you are going to have to find a placement. Unfortunatly, this really is the only way of becoming an industry recognised qualified plumber. There really is no 'fasttrack' into any skilled trade. If you can afford to do it I would get the details of as many plumbers/firms as you can and send in your CV, maybe trying to get on as a trainee. Follow that up with a call a few days later and see what feedback you get. If nothing, then maybe working for free occasionally around other work to get some experience. Hope this helps, good luck with whatever you decide to do.

 

[msec]

Wonder why such a "reputable" company would have logos on their paperwork(constuction skills,bpec,e-skills etc) when they have no permission to do it.

Hi, where did you get this info from? These logos don't appear on the paperwork I have, they are also not on the website though obvioulsy they may have been before.

Also funny that the loan to pay the course comes from a company in the same street who appear to have board members that are on both companies,just saying like...

This is a very very common business practice, carried out by most large companies that organise finance. Usually a bank subsidary is involved somewhere, in this case I believe it is Barclays. Me and the wife sold our car last year to webuyanycar.com. Their office was INSIDE Carcraft. Were we under any illusions that they are 2 different companies? No, our car wil have gone straight from webuyanycar.com onto the Carcraft forecourt to be sold, on finance, for a large profit. When we bought our house the mortgage brokers office was inside the estate agents, I don't think there is anything underhand in it really.

 

[Jamie88]

I've joined the course in December with false information, he said I would be qualified within 9 months and go away for just two weeks for the assessment cause most of the training is done through 3D scenario. In march I found out that's it's 13 weeks away and the accommodation is not all payed for. I now have a daughter which will make it hard for me to afford to take time of work, Its also affecting me to get a mortgage with my partner, I've asked them if I can cancel the course cause I'm not that far Into it and they refuse without care of my situation, being so stupid to sign up for this is the biggest mistake of my life so far and I hope

 

[Jon03]

I can really sympathise, they don't give a monkeys about peoples personal circumstances. I hadn't even started course and they wouldn't cancel Train for Trade Skills are just in it for the money they don't care about the people!!!!

 

[fuzzy]

sorry to hear that jamie

 

[WHPES]

I thought Carcraft main stakeholders were RBS not Barclays?

 

[Bernie R]

Hi everyone was looking for some help im due to meet the guy for train 4 skills tomorrow and after reading some off the views on this im having 2nd thoughts....I would like to know if the company is worht the money. also i will be traing towards my CITY OF GUILDS LEVEL 2 and DiPloma in plumbing and heating 6199-11. What exatley ARE these qualifications?will i be a fully qualified plumber? would i.e would i be able to fix electric showers, boilers etc etc or will it be the basics?

 

[fuzzy]

are you employed in the industry and or will they get you work? without that you will not complete, read the samll print

 

[Bernie R]

They will hlp me get work they said

 

[fuzzy]

They will hlp me get work they said

emmm ok they will help you but what if you dont get work? check out threads on here

check this out to answer your qs on quals
http://www.ukplumbersforums.co.uk/plumbing-courses/19487-c-g-tech-cert-nvq-eal-facts-you.html

you can ask any qual questions there

 

[Bernie R]

Thanks fuzzy so just to confirm

City of GuildsNVQ level 2 diploma in Plumbing and heating 6189-11 (Im in scotland) Is a qualified plumber?

 

[fuzzy]

yes, qualified in basic plumbing, many places ask for advanced, which is l3

 

[karlhayes]

I found them good the only bad thing i found talking to other trainees was the price difference we all payed for the same course , but the training was good i went to Featherstone

 

[Bernie R]

thanks guys after speaking to the guy its NVQ level 3 i get trained in

 

[fuzzy]

thanks guys after speaking to the guy its NVQ level 3 i get trained in

you can get trained but you will NOT succeed without employment. you will not pass unless you pass all aspects of NVQ3, theres alot to it mate, ALOT, it aint going to be a quick fix. Most people who do fast track only do 6129 Tech Cert, taking on NVQ3 is a big ask, and as said you need employment/work experience

be careful, trained in and assessed in can be different

 

[fuzzy]

Hi everyone was looking for some help im due to meet the guy for train 4 skills tomorrow and after reading some off the views on this im having 2nd thoughts....I would like to know if the company is worht the money. also i will be traing towards my CITY OF GUILDS LEVEL 2 and DiPloma in plumbing and heating 6199-11. What exatley ARE these qualifications?will i be a fully qualified plumber? would i.e would i be able to fix electric showers, boilers etc etc or will it be the basics?

just noticed this as well, it says 'training towards'

 

[tamz]

And as you are in Scotland you won't get a job without an SVQ3 (NVQ3) infact you are unlikely to get a job without having done an apprenticeship i'm afraid.
Also the way things are now you will struggle to be taken on by anyone even if you do complete an apprenticeship.
Reasearch the trade well before you jump in and take the sales talk with a big pinch of salt. There are a lot of disappointed failures.

 

[Jamie Banks]

Guys this is only my opinion but here goes

Done a T4TS up to intermediate stage - cant believe people part with cash without research.

Found the course work to be good with books, 3D, links etc. However the best as mentioned is the weekend away where you meet the tutors from ATL - these guys are ex-plumbers, plumber and know there stuff. Think the problem is that the full stages to becoming a fully flethched trademan is alot different to the way they sell it. The NVQ side really needs alot of thought as it is expensive and you need to be able to fullfill the criteria. Think that T4TS can only do so much but the salesman make it sound so easy - thats their job. As on other links we only walk out with the basics or are not ready to go on to gas etc. I have completed my course and have walked out with a bit more knowledge and techniques such as bending, soldering etc. Think its quite dear and there are other ways to go.

I am just selling myself as a DIYer with plumbing qualities so cant possibly try to do work of a complex nature or too big. But can hopefully build it up a bit more as have contacts and these foruums are invaluable. Let us know how you all get on and any advice appreciated

 

[Bernie R]

Thanks Guys for the replys. Do you think its worth trying to get some experiance while doing the course then?

 

[fuzzy]

without it you wil struggle more than without, which will be a struggle anyway

 

[Bernie R]

Any ideas how i could get experiance ?

 

[tamz]

Rip yer ma's, burds, aunties, mates or whoever's bathroom out and put it back together again

Other than that, i don't know.
If you are keen enough you may find something.

 

[Jamie Banks]

Defo if you can and its quite a big IF

 

[davidtelford]

Hi
I signed up with train4trade skills a year and a half ago and have had no contact or help off them what so ever. I have recently sent a letter to them and the finance company(career finance 4 train4trade skills ltd) stating that due to being mis-sold the course and the fact that they don't have permission to use log's from company's such as BPEC, GAS SAFE, CITB etc, I won't be paying them another penny and want a full refund. I have had no reply yet but have just found out that the qualifications I am getting maybe be about to change. I am doing NVQ 6129 City and Guilds and NVQ Level 3 6089. Does anybody know if these qualifications are any good in the plumbing industry or is it changing to diploma's.

 

[fuzzy]

Hi
I signed up with train4trade skills a year and a half ago and have had no contact or help off them what so ever. I have recently sent a letter to them and the finance company(career finance 4 train4trade skills ltd) stating that due to being mis-sold the course and the fact that they don't have permission to use log's from company's such as BPEC, GAS SAFE, CITB etc, I won't be paying them another penny and want a full refund. I have had no reply yet but have just found out that the qualifications I am getting maybe be about to change. I am doing NVQ 6129 City and Guilds and NVQ Level 3 6089. Does anybody know if these qualifications are any good in the plumbing industry or is it changing to diploma's.

the 6129 isnt an NVQ its a tech cert (not classed as full qual) big jump from 6129 l2 to NVQ3!!! eek, your working as a plumber? because you need to be to gain the nvq