What trade should get paid more ?

[JTplumbingservices]

Just been having a debate with my company owner about wages after finding out the joiner I work alongside earned more than me.
I have my Advanced plumber ticket and gas.
We carry various trades and have a big kitchen and bathroom renewal contract so our joiners are usually doing the kitchens.
He says he pays him more as they are more valuable to him than a plumber as it’s much harder to get a good joiner than a plumber.
I.M.O a joiner wage should be similar to a plumber wage, a plumber with gas should earn more..
Thoughts ???

 

[townfanjon]

Wow , Just sums up how **** this job can be .
I can feel a rant coming on but have only called home for a buttie .
All of us who do gas should be payed a absolute minimum of £150 an hour , we fec up and prison beckons

 

[Harvest Fields]

But your not a plumber. Your a a gas engineer that also does plumbing. There is a difference. I bill myself out at gas prices no matter the job.

 

[JTplumbingservices]

Wow , Just sums up how **** this job can be .
I can feel a rant coming on but have only called home for a buttie .
All of us who do gas should be payed a absolute minimum of £150 an hour , we fec up and prison beckons

Post your rant when you get home tonight

 

[JTplumbingservices]

But your not a plumber. Your a a gas engineer that also does plumbing. There is a difference. I bill myself out at gas prices no matter the job.

We are all PAYE mate, he tries to use him paying for my gas as a reason not to pay me extra for having it which I don’t get as the gas work I do is for his company

 

[Harvest Fields]

Post your rant when you get home tonight

I’d like to know what goes on in that head mate.

 

[Harvest Fields]

We are all PAYE mate, he tries to use him paying for my gas as a reason not to pay me extra for having it which I don’t get as the gas work I do is for his company

How long have you had it? Did you sign a contract stating you will repay it or stay a number of years?

 

[JTplumbingservices]

How long have you had it? Did you sign a contract stating you will repay it or stay a number of years?

Not that long and yes so that’s another thing, I’m paying him back by committing to that too.

 

[Harvest Fields]

Not that long and yes so that’s another thing, I’m paying him back by committing to that too.

So you are physically giving him cash every week/month? Or time honoured?

 

[JTplumbingservices]

So you are physically giving him cash every week/month? Or time honoured?

Time unless I leave him then I have to pay

 

[Harvest Fields]

Time unless I leave him then I have to pay

He thinks he has you over a barrel and unless you are willing to leave and pay him he kind of does. Or you need to make him believe you will leave and pay him.

 

[JTplumbingservices]

He thinks he has you over a barrel and unless you are willing to leave and pay him he kind of does. Or you need to make him believe you will leave and pay him.

I did get a rise out him there , not what I asked for but he met me in the middle.

 

[Harvest Fields]

I did get a rise out him there , not what I asked for but he met me in the middle.

How long ago was that mate.

 

[JTplumbingservices]

How long ago was that mate.

Today

 

[Harvest Fields]

Then you cannot do anything until next year now then

 

[Chalked]

If you feel your worth more. Then hand your notice in. Tricky game on both sides, if he needs you, and you are good , he will pay.
If your not! Then he won’t.
Other than that, go self employed. Everyone should at some point.

 

[Harvest Fields]

If you feel your worth more. Then hand your notice in. Tricky game on both sides, if he needs you, and you are good , he will pay.
If your not! Then he won’t.
Other than that, go self employed. Everyone should at some point.

He is tied in mate.

 

[JTplumbingservices]

If you feel your worth more. Then hand your notice in. Tricky game on both sides, if he needs you, and you are good , he will pay.
If your not! Then he won’t.
Other than that, go self employed. Everyone should at some point.

He said he needs me but I could be replaced a lot easier than a joiner.. I don’t get why he values someone who fits a kitchen so highly but he does, anyway he gave me more money so that will keep me quiet for now

 

[Harvest Fields]

He said he needs me but I could be replaced a lot easier than a joiner.. I don’t get why he values someone who fits a kitchen so highly but he does, anyway he gave me more money so that will keep me quiet for now

Glad you are happy?

 

[JTplumbingservices]

Glad you are happy?

Wouldn’t go that far happier

 

[hammers4spanner]

My cousin is a tiler and got offered a job 36 k a year on the books plus van that is more than the gas jobs here.
Some paint and dec jobs here are 28 k a year on the cards.

Problem here is that gas and plumbing is swamped so wages are down mid to low trade. Think most are 24 k to 32 k firm dependant and experience

 

[Jim09876]

Look how much Wicks or B&Q charge to fit a kitchen! I fitted a kitchen before and doing the worktops was a ball ache. Joiners need millions of tools also don’t forget!

Painting don’t seem like a bad trade, fresh new walls...slap it on, in and out

 

[JTplumbingservices]

Look how much Wicks or B&Q charge to fit a kitchen! I fitted a kitchen before and doing the worktops was a ball ache. Joiners need millions of tools also don’t forget!

Painting don’t seem like a bad trade, fresh new walls...slap it on, in and out

Fitting a worktop is prettt simple for any half decent joiner.. they might have more expensive tools, wee need tools too plus have to pay for gas then reassessments every 5 years. A joiner could buy every tool he needs to fit a kitchen for the price of a good CPA analyser.

 

[Mastermixlee]

Think a big issue is that gas engineers have large outlays too. Public liability&indemnity insurance is expensive in comparison to someone who doesn't do wet/hot works (electrician insurances is approx an 1/8th of the cost of gas engineers for same level of cover if using niceic recommended firm).

Cost of fga's, calibration costs every year. Gas safe registration, acs test every 5 years, ongoing training costs as technology changes.

Joinery is generally using same techniques that have been used for decades, though sometimes using a tool that speeds up and makes the process easier.

Insurance is cheaper, no qualifications/registrations required.

Public are blind to costs though when it comes to visual appearance work (e.g. Fancy new kitchen) than compared to replacing a boiler that has been limping and banging along for the last 20+years.

Ive been to hundreds of houses where they wanted smart thermostat fitted and have remote control lighting etc... .but the boiler they had was over 20 years old and had a very expensive kitchen just fitted around it

Unless shiny pipes and Boilers become fashionable for the general public then it's gonna remain difficult with pay. The saying from customers I hear the most is "if its broken, don't fix it" .... Most often from visits where they have called in for a breakdown in the first place... And normally as they've just replaced the 3 year old car they had with a brand new one

Rant worthy subject if there ever was one

 

[Last Plumber]

I would say it depends on the situation and the type of work.

It could just be down to who earns him the most.